DAP in Detail - Now: Sasha Rose vs. Amber

[Wiskus]

That`s an interesting point!
Can you proofe that with another Jenny Simpson dap-scene, Wiskus?

for aquin: Not sure why Jenny vs. Joachim/Vadim dont passionates me anymore either. It`s Joachims fault, rather, though. Maybe she can really do more. I am not that familiar with her performances, though. I shall also re-watch again before going on to Sasha Rose vs. Amber and check first how she reacts on Vadim.

About Jenny : in all her films (DAP or not), she looks ready for deeper anal experience than what we see. She wants more surprising action, it is not a matter of DAP only. Like assfist after anal creampie and back to rough single anal pouding. And extreme gape before new rough dap or tap. It has to be fast and hard. Long slow daps must be made more various with vicious scenes and terrible dildos ... Actors and camera work must be inventive.

[Wiskus]

Let us be fair : Jenny is awesome in Two cocks in the booty n° 4.
Congratulations to the actors.
In detail, there are not so many such films in business today, thanks to Giorgio Grandi, Joachim and Vadim, and Combat Zone.

[dap-addict]

Jenny does a really good dap scene in TCB4 for sure, I agree!
But with the rest of your post you contradict your previous one, Wiskus.
If Jenny Simpson really wants it more intense than why thank to Joachim, who gave her just one of those lame fucks in TCB4 exactly?

I am greatful that Joachim found those dap-able girls and Russia and did this film, but performing in his films is not his strong point. Comparing TCB4 vs. 2CnC1 it shows.

[dap-addict]

giorgio forces the girl much better than joachim, g. focusses on the performance, j. on something different which i cannot tell.

Sometimes is seems being as a porn actor is like meditation for Joachim.
He seems to get completely lost, but not in lust.
Just look at this cap for instance:

Joachim slowly dipping Jenny`s ass.
(Two Cocks in the Booty 4 by Combat Zone)

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I wouldnt compare Giorgio and Joachim in terms of force, though. I dont see force involved here, rather lust and ambition as a performer as well as a director.
Joachim seems a way more ambitious director, but he has zero or at least very strange ambitions as a performer. Giorgio sometimes just gets taken away by his lust forgetting about some details makeing the scene more fun to watch, but he performs the best he can for the girl, for himself and the audience watching.
I frankly prefer Giorgio working with is dap girl Vanda here - and not only because he is much more true and sincere.
Joachim, and here I agree with Wiskus, could have gotten more out of Jenny Simpson, the more as he styled her and the location with care, but I doubt Jenny is able to really immerse into the action the way Vanda did.

[Wiskus]

Jenny does a really good dap scene in TCB4 for sure, I agree!
But with the rest of your post you contradict your previous one, Wiskus.
If Jenny Simpson really wants it more intense than why thank to Joachim, who gave her just one of those lame fucks in TCB4 exactly?

I am greatful that Joachim found those dap-able girls and Russia and did this film, but performing in his films is not his strong point. Comparing TCB4 vs. 2CnC1 it shows.

Sure, Jenny can do incredible performance, and she can do a lot more with actors like Bruno SX maybe ... but I appreciate Joachim who makes the girls feel at ease, it is important also

[dap-addict]

You are right, that`s very important, indeed.
But Giorgio makes the girls feel at easy as well, he makes them wanting to work with him...and when he does it, he does it deep, fast and with passion.
I dont see much of the latter with Joachim.

[Wiskus]

You are right, that`s very important, indeed.
But Giorgio makes the girls feel at easy as well, he makes them wanting to work with him...and when he does it, he does it deep, fast and with passion.
I dont see much of the latter with Joachim.

I think Giorgio is excellent, but he profits from Joachim's former experience also ... and a great pionner is JY Le Castle.

[dap-addict]

How does Giorgio profit from Joachims experience shooting daps in Russia?
Please keep in mind we are talking about Jenny Simpson in TCB4 vs. Vanda in 2CnC1 (and norest4theass.com). I hope you watched both scenes, Wiskus.

[aquin]

:?
How does Giorgio profit from Joachims…

a new Jenny S. dap is out on norest4theass. i will check it occasionally and come back with the results. i hope giorgio learned at least from our discussion about the in parts lame Jenny-Joachim-dap.

aquin

[dap-addict]

as a final judgement i would say that Jenny's performance although she is a good dap-performer lacks intensitiy and passion whereas Vanda provides both. you get the feeling that Vanda fully loves the dap-action (although we know they do it for the money ) and Jenny just tries to count down the minutes. giorgio forces the girl much better than joachim, g. focusses on the performance, j. on something different which i cannot tell.
Vanda wins. let's switch to sasha vs amber

here we are:

The is the next episode of the series. This time with the meanwhile famous Sasha Rose/Kate versus Amber
her you will find the previous posts: http://www.eurobabeindex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10060

Sasha Rose's scene is taken from 2 Cazzi Nel Culo/NoRestfortheAss
Sasha is a skinny girl with a slutty attiude
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/sasha_2.html
Trashy location, looks like a low budget hotel lobby somewhere in Europe, trashy outfit which says "I'm a slut", really slutty heels which i like (i must admit)
00:00
Starts with teasing of Sasha, she presents her private parts, she has a quite young and fresh body and offers her asshole immediately for Giorgio's index finger
see here

02:50
Sitting on a sofa, pussy presentation, nice fingernails, she says she wants to get fucked
04:20
kneeling on coffee table, presenting her butt and holes
04:30
preparation starts with widening Sasha's asshole with a mediocre glas dildo., goes quickly deep in, she really has capacities
05:40
fuck herself with dildo in ass, sucks dildo, bead (on chain) goes into asshole, which doesn't seem easy, Giorgio has to tease her pussy to relax her, she doesn't look very happy when it's fully inserted
08:40
bead comes out, her ass is definitely tight
see here

09:30
first anal
10:00
anal stops, bead goes in again, maybe because the relaxition of her anus muscle is not perfect enough?
11:03
pussy fucking, with bead in anus
11:30
she take the bead out again, anal fucking, still tigh anus muscle
12:20
second guy (hairy monster in white) enters and starts with pussy fucking right away, Sasha eats Giorgio
12:50
changes to ass pta, atp, ptm, Giorgio fucks ass
14:00
editing, her dress is off, only heels, stockings and belt, 4 and a half minutes of a manneristic hand-blow-job combination, Sasha looks quite bored into the lens, lot of unintentional groaning (none of the performers can be aroused at that time), this part is too long, camera moves forward and backward, thats more than the actors are moving
18:30
hard editing, 3 and a half minutes of cg dp on coffeetable, a lot of motion but no distinctive insertion (Giorgio goes for onbe time out of her butthole but is after 30 seconds in again)
22:35
one out of the butthole, pta and atm
23:15
first dap cg, Sasha's looks very cautious, no deep insertion after the first minute of dap, i really wonder if the second one which is covered by Giorgio's dick is really in
see here

25:00
hard editing, rcg dp
26:30
dap in rcg, better, both are in and Girogio really shows an insertion, Sasha spreads her leg to allow deeper and easier insertion
see here

27:25
change to rcg dp
28:10
again dap in rcg, Sasha's anus is pretty tigh and the three have to work on the insertion, Sasha looks as if she want to get a reward
acceptable fucking action
see here

30:20
out and a small but rose red gape, Sasha's anus is not really stressed, dp fucking and back to dap, her back hole will be tight and red until the end of the scene, compared to dap the dp insertion are deep
see here

32:00
gape, hard edit, from now on only single anal fucking, head job, various gapes
33:25
hard edit, hand-blow-job, pussy teasing, they try to make her squirt but Sasha doesn't
34:15
hard edit, doggy anal, sucking, pour gaping
36:00
hard edit, back to hand-blow-job and final ejaculation
38:00 end

too much groaning, no variation in camera angle, mostly the same position, light is mediocre

Amber's scene ist taken from Two Cooks in the Booty 4/Double Anal Zone
Amber is a robust but feminine dark haired beauty with medium tits
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/oksana_3.html
00:00
Nice location, nice red plastic bikini, heels (sandals), poses
01:00
Turns, shows ass with plug in
02:25
takes plug out and in again, poses
03:25
guys enter room (Joachim and a hairy monster), with big black mamba dildo, play with plug, anus muscle of Amber seems well prepared, plug slips in and out easily
04:40
black mamba goes in, hard edit, black mamaba goes deeper in, fingering of anus (each guy has two fingers in makes four )
06:10
edit, still black mamba
see here

07:54
first gape
08:25
hard edit, 2 minutes blow-hand-job combination (manneristic as Sasha's), heels are off (that's bad), groaning unintentional
10:20
hard edit, doggie fucking and sucking
11:10
first anal doggie, some bad filmed gapes, her anus is still responsive closes quickly
11:55
hard edit, anal (Joachim) rcg feet on thighs, suckin hairy monster, good shots
12:40
hard edit dp rcg, spread legs, bikini top off
see here

13:20
first dap rcg, Joachim really enters, hairy monster just dips, edits, she rubs her clit (to relax i think), Amber shows her open pussy
see here

14:30
hard edit, cg cannot say if it's dp or dap, presumbly dap because the hairy monster is dipping.
15:05
hard edit, hard anal fucking (in and out) and sucking, change of positions, goes on for several minutes
18:53
gaping, anus is red and a little worn out, no longer responsive, bad single anal fucking only dipping
see here

21:05
dap again, rcg, more dipping than anything else
see here

21:55
hard edit, single anal rcg, good old "Guck-Mal", mediocre gapes
23:00
edit, single anal and sucking
24:00
show down, short hard anal fucking (Joachim
24:20
pay shots, facial

too much groaning
bikini top on since i don't look for tits it's ok
better camera, better lighting

My judgement: Sasha Rose wins because of more and more intense dap action

First, I still have to re-watch both scenes more closely, but I dont see it that clear with Sasha Rose winning against Amber:
Okay, I have a soft spot for Amber since one of the very first Giorgio Grandi Piter trip films where he meets her somwhere outside in winter, she explains him some tourist attractions on a bridge, than lifts her top in a coldstaircase and we end up with some very hot anal inside an appartement soon. Sasha Rose on the other side is an international star meanwhile.

On the overall dap performance side - after having watched the dvd twice some weeks ago - both scenes are much softer than the previousely discussed Jenny Simpson vs.Vanda daps. Giorgio is really assfucking Sasha Rose completely against his normally intense style, Vadim on the other side looks like he really tried to imitate Joachims dipping only attitude with Amber - also not his style.
The worst thing with Sasha Rose is the really long time we have to wait until the first dap penetration occurs. Haveing a first anal nearly 10mins into the scene but than haveing to wait another 12mins is just too much! The more as Sasha`s daps starts really soft and slow and for a long time doesnt take momentum. Although she looks into it after a while, its rather the perfect acctress than real compassion.
Amber on the other side really immserses in her dap action including quite a few real or very well played anal orgasms. Also, she gets dapped just shortly after her first anal, which makes the scene look much more intense. I also liked a lot that I didnt have to <FF> minutes of pussy only fucking before getting to the point with Ambers scene as it was the case with Sasha.

As for the styling, I am glad that aquin pointed out very nicely how much or little (in the case of Amber ) the girls payed attemtion to details. Sashas fingernails are really nicely groomed for her first dap; and on the contrary its really bad that Amber looses her heel even before her first anal. Similarely to aquin I didnt care for the tits of either, thus no matter Amber had her bra on most of the time and Sasha showed them. But in the style and make-up dept. Sasha for sure wins!

Finally may I thank aquin again for his excellent review with all those references!
It will make an in-depth DAP in detail discussion much easier!

[aquin]

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As for the styling, I am glad that aquin pointed out very nicely how much or little (in the case of Amber ) the girls payed attemtion to details. Sashas fingernails are really nicely groomed for her first dap; and on the contrary its really bad that Amber looses her heel even before her first anal. Similarely to aquin I didnt care for the tits of either, thus no matter Amber had her bra on most of the time and Sasha showed them. But in the style and make-up dept. Sasha for sure wins!
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i should underline the discussion around the styling. although it is not a necessary point if it comes to dap it is wishful to have a porper styling starting with the clothing, hair, skin and fingernails. also, for me it is good to have a good location and not a fourth hand sofa from some third world area hostel .

aquin

[dap-addict]

These are not cheep hotel rooms, aquin!
Due to legal problems the location question in Russia is really difficult to resolve. Almost everybody shooting in Russia is complaining. Many producers in Piter rent a flat here. Some are nicer, some less. But they are not furnished for porn, but average non-porn clients.
If you ask me, Giorgio could still use some more immagination like fucking on the floor, on stairs, on kitchen tables etc. But as you see in the location pics, the choice is really limited. (Joachim has not much location immagination either, but his Russian rooms are usually nicer and better lit )

Similarely to you I pay attention to the location, but less than I did before. A good dap stays a good dap for me no matter how crap the location, the boring sofa or bed was. Another question is the girls style, which is more important for a good overall dap performance...

[dap-addict]

My judgement: Sasha Rose wins because of more and more intense dap action

First, I still have to re-watch both scenes more closely, but I dont see it that clear with Sasha Rose winning against Amber:

Finally re-watched both scenes and basically I tend more to agree with your assessment than I did before.
More soon!

[aquin]

My judgement: Sasha Rose wins because of more and more intense dap action

First, I still have to re-watch both scenes more closely, but I dont see it that clear with Sasha Rose winning against Amber:

Finally re-watched both scenes and basically I tend more to agree with your assessment than I did before.
More soon!

well, as far as i see it the styling and location play a bigger part in the overall judgement than expected. in the case of Amber the viewer (me) is catched by the better set up of the scene and it takes some time to concentrate only on the action. with Sasha it is the same, so, you are right, dap-addict if you say the impact of Sasha's scene comes with a delay.

so, after all, although we concentrate on dap-action, we are not free from disturbing effects such as location and styling. the summary out of this is: real good dap has to be embedded into good styling and location to be recognized right from the first look.

aquin

[dap-addict]

"disturbing effects such as location and styling"

I hope this sentence makes a lot of posters here realize that we DAP-fans dont see that act only. At least for me styling was always very important, but for many years now I prefer to watch a nicely styled girl in a good location getting dapped than something else.

One styling feature I always pay a lot of attention at are the girls hands, the way she grooms her fingernails. It shows a lot how much she invests into her body and appearance. Russian dap girls tend to lag behind here a lot, often. But they way her hands look defines a lot of the impression she gives especially in rcdap, when a lof of girls rub their clit for some additional joy (or some to distract them from the anal stress) or when some spread their butt cheeks during rc dapping.


In our case both Amber and Sasha Rose are rather on the good side, with Sasha winning for me due to her nice tipps:

Amber spreading her pussy with unevenly cut natural fingernails.

Sasha Rose displying a post-dap gape helped by her nicely styled hands.

At the same time we see the importance of sofa (and clothing) colours: Sasha Rose nearly getts swallowed by her sofa, Oksana on the oher hand beams and thus attracts the viewer. The more as her latex bikini top nicely enhances her sweet nipples here.


What do you rekon?



Btw, aquin, of course Ambers nice setting distracts a lot from her dap shortcomings. I was deceived a lot, actually. More soon!