DAP in Detail - Now: Sasha Rose vs. Amber

[aquin]

For the latest review please go to page 6.

this thread is dedicated to dap. so, if you don't like dap, this thread doesn't match your point in porn. i start this thread to collect and discuss how dap develops. the performers, the camera work, the action itself. it shall be a place to exchange opions related to scenes and related to performers, not a place to discuss dap in general. and since this is an EURObabe discussion group i will not write about great dap-performers like Kelly Wells or Ariane Jollee. ok, that's all for the start.

my first topic will be a comparision between classic dap and new dap. i differentiate between these classic and new because since the russian babes stepped onto the clearing i think we have new dap. so classic dap is before the "russian revolution" and new is since then. i picked an "old" scene from my favorite performer Melissa Black. it is from Wrecked'em (WE) . the new dap is take from Two cocks in the booty 2 (TCB2)s and stars Juliana Grandi who is a tough and active girl as far as i can say and i like her attitude very much.

the main difference between these two scenes is the way the guys push their cocks into the ladies' asses. in WE one moves the other one pauses, in tcb2 both are working all the time while inside the ass of Juliana. The (net ) duration of dap in TCB2 is much longer than in WE. i counted 6,5 min. vers. about 4 min.

Judged by the gapes the two ladies show Melissa seems to be more stressed, her anus cannot manage the amount of flesh and gets stressed. a lot of red and red wrinkles soon after the start. her anus is more open, bigger gape which looks fantastic but also worn out compared to Juliana's rear muscle, which opens and closes like a swiss clock, no red, firm and even gape but quite small, she doesn't open so much.

It would be interesting to know how many daps (on stage or for training) theses two performers already made before the respective scene was shot. Judged by the gape Melissa seems more experienced at the time of the shooting than Juliana.

Finally the faces of the two ladies. The camera work in both scenes is not what i would call prize winning but TCB2 is a bit ahead, because of the lighting and the actual positions. Although both Juliana and Melissa do dap in cg and rc Juliana's face is more often focussed. Both ladies seem to enjoy the action (whatever part of it, i cannot say), they smile from time to time. No orgasms as far es i could see.

The end of WE is quite traditional: shots in the mouth of Melissa who doesn't swallow. TCB2 is a bit more advanced: Juliana widens her rear hole with both hands and receives two loads. The second one is pushed in with a dick, somehow recalling a creampie.

New and classic: New is straighter, comes to the point which is dap and the anus. No time wasted with too much sucking and teasing, the guys in TCB2 go to Juliana's ass once she is released from the red dildo/giant ass plug. New is longer, Juliana takes more and is somehow more relaxed. She seems she could take it for at least 24 hours.

Let me know, hwat you think.

aquin

[dap-addict]

i start this thread to collect and discuss how dap develops. the performers, the camera work, the action itself. it shall be a place to exchange opions related to scenes and related to performers, not a place to discuss dap in general.

Excellent idea!
This is the thread I was waiting for!
Lets continue to collect dap scenes in the old DAPlist thread, but lets also discuss some of them here.

the main difference between these two scenes is the way the guys push their cocks into the ladies' asses. in WE one moves the other one pauses, in tcb2 both are working all the time while inside the ass of Juliana. The (net ) duration of dap in TCB2 is much longer than in WE. i counted 6,5 min. vers. about 4 min.

As you take Melissa Black in WE and Juliana Grandi in TCB2 as kind of representative examples of the "old" and "new" (= post Russian DAP Attack) style, I have to strongly disagree here.
You`ll find a lot of pre-Russian DAP Attack scenes with Czech, Slowak, Magyar and Romanian dap girls where both studs bang into the girls ass simultanousely. You`ll also find this with Melissa Black. The problem here is that Juliana is dapped by the two best dap studs working currently in St. Peterburg, while mediocre studs dap Melissa in WE. This also contributes to the short dap time for Melissa. Btw, I counted only about 2mins of dap for Melissa.

New and classic: New is straighter, comes to the point which is dap and the anus. No time wasted with too much sucking and teasing, the guys in TCB2 go to Juliana's ass once she is released from the red dildo/giant ass plug.

Again I disagree: In this very example both scenes come to the point moore or less at the same time. Tease is really short (if we dont count the dildo work on Juliana), there is no boring and pointless pussy-only fucking and the anal only warm-up is kept short. Also the in-between bj`s and anal only parts are kept short.
And at the end it`s rather the new (Juliana) scene loosing pace: While with Melissa the cum starts to fly as soon as the rcdap ends, with Juliana we have to endure a longer anal and partly pussy-only ( ) session before she finally stretches her pooper awaiting the cum.


Finally, as for the girls performance, I do agree that their gapes show a better dap-tolerance with Juliana. On the other hand I was surprised to see how badly Juliana performs in TCB2 in cg. Her cgdap is short and she looses those sexy relaxed smiles on her face she had during rcdap.
While Melissa starts with usually harder to perform cgdap, she is clearly not that relaxed permorming it, too. I`ll post some caps showing it soon...

On a side note:
I think both scenes are a bad examples of stripping the girls off their hot acessoirs before dapping them.
Melissa as well as Juliana are wearing very nice heels in her short tease section, but they end up completely naked.
(But well, I think naked chicks in porn tend to be boring anyway)


Btw, if I am not mistaken this was Juliana`s 4th or 5th dap ( Juliana Grandi, do you remember exactly? )
For Melissa it must have been about the same number of daps before, but I`d have to check my 15 or more dvds with Melissa dapped for scene shot dates first. A difficult task, as normally only a unspecified numer of dates for the whole dvd are given.

[aquin]

dap-addict, thanks for the cheers and sure i did not mean to substitue the famous dap-list. that work cannot be replaced. what i mean when saying collect is to collect views, reviews, interpretations of dap's which are worth to be remembered (though that means different things to different people).

i fully agree with your objections and must say that these two dap's were not the best for a start. certainly they do not proof classic and new (i would like to stay with these expressions because i think we will still find "classic" dap in new productions). so, you are right when you say there are reasons for the minor dap of Melissa, such as the minor quality of the studs. this leaves only one point of my argumentation line and this is coming straight to the point. after reviewing TCB2 and WE again i still go with my point that TCB2 is straighter. The Melissa dap in WE starts like most classic scenes (and sad to say dap scenes) begin: endless sucking. this is skipped in TCB2 and i like that. ok we have the fetish, dildo whatever part in the beginnig but it takes only 1 and a half min, the ending to me should not count at this point. (btw, you are right with the cg dap of Juliana, her face looks really bored).

finally, the "creampie ending" in TCB2 is quite a good idea. Again one point for new and straighter dap, because Melissa's ends in the traditional way.

Perhaps someone has a recommendation for another more definite choice of dap's?

aquin

[dap-addict]

this leaves only one point of my argumentation line and this is coming straight to the point. after reviewing TCB2 and WE again i still go with my point that TCB2 is straighter. The Melissa dap in WE starts like most classic scenes (and sad to say dap scenes) begin: endless sucking. this is skipped in TCB2 and i like that. ok we have the fetish, dildo whatever part in the beginnig but it takes only 1 and a half min...

I`m not into dildo play at all, lest fake dildo insertions like with that hige black plastic dong, thus Julianas beginning may have looked longer to me. But you seem not to be into sucking, which is a nice warm-up to me, provided it`s not too long. I doubt it`s more than 1 1/2 min with Melissa, though.

Before jumping to another scene better illustration old/new daps lets stay a bit longer with Juliana and Melissa. I`ve also the promised screenshots ready:

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Screens in time order: After having widened her pooper during the anal Melissa starts with rcdap, only than proceeded to rc (note her dirty feet from the set`s untidy floor!). At the end she gets an ordinary facial.



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Screens in time order: Skipped the dildo play. After that there is quite a long dp intro for Juliana, only than she gets dapped in rc, proceeded classically to cg and finally gapes her pooper to receive the cream.


With both girls pay attention to their hands (clinching, relaxed etc) and their faces during the daps.
Also notice their sexy heels (and nicely painted toes).

[aquin]

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With both girls pay attention to their hands (clinching, relaxed etc) and their faces during the daps.
Also notice their sexy heels (and nicely painted toes).

good point, dap addict. i will review both and focus on their hands and other body parts (away from the center). i like the heels too, Juliana's a bit more than the plexis of Melissa. And: Melissa takes them off to early.

aquin

[dap-addict]

i like the heels too, Juliana's a bit more than the plexis of Melissa. And: Melissa takes them off to early.

Me, too. Juliana`s heels are much better actually. Also her toes are painted better.
But Melissa doesnt take off her flexis herself, she gets them taken off as soon as she hops into her first rc anal.
Okay, she didnt protest, but I always hope directors don`t allow the studs to strip the girl of her heels! It`s easier (and safer) to fuck an un-heeled girl, sure, but these studs are professionals working for the camera at first.

With Juliana the editing doesnt allow to see when (and why) her heels go.
But the worst is they edited away her rcdap insertion.
I hate that! Dap as well as anal insertions show a lot about the girls attitude and dap/anal-friendlyness. Leaving the insertion out also often inplies some insertion troubles. Why else woulnt they show it? In Juliana`s case - as she looks so relaxed during the rcdap afterwards - it may have other reasons. But some bad vibs still remain. A real pity!

i will review both and focus on their hands and other body parts (away from the center).

Do so please!
But dont forget "the center"!

[valentine]

I think the best thing would be a
DAP-GB with about 8 guys (no too many) and crem pies going out from the ass in the mean time the daps happen.

Something really rough with an eastern european beauty (braun and braun skin rather than blond/too white skin).
High heels are an obligation (kind of semi-boot in black leather) no other wearing.

So Mr. Grandi how much should we pay you to do this?!!!

[aquin]

a short pre-review note:
you are right dap-addict, the cut before the rcdap cuts out the actual insertion which is crucial to judge a good dap. (in WE one of the guys has some problems with his dick in the beginning, it isn't hard enough to penetrate as far as i can see, and it slips out of Melissa's rear hole at least twice.) but in TCB2 the camera work especially the angles are not OK (or is it set up by intention?) because in the rc phase i sometimes cannot say if Juliana's dped or daped.

and to valentine: you are right: heels are a must-have.

aquin

[aquin]

… With both girls pay attention to their hands (clinching, relaxed etc) and their faces during the daps …

well, i reviewed and there are new conclusions. first i blame it on the guys that Melissa's dap in WE doesn't meet my expectations. they have problems with getting hard enough to penetrate and therefore we see a lot of sucking and close ups of Melissa's face but no anal action. the cocks often slip out of Melissa's butthole and sometimes it just looks poor when the guys try to handle the situation. on the other hand Melissa is quite focussed on the action, she wants to help the guys even widens her anus on her own. the red wrinkles showing off quite early in the scene may be a hint that the actual action was much longer but could not be edited because of the problems mentioned above. the ongoing widening efforts of the guy may also indicate that the scene was much longer. so Melissa may have been nailed and daped much longer than we see, actually. Please take a look at the caps (poor resolution sorry for that) which show her pre- and post dap gapes, one of the unintended "slipping outs", and the support she gives by widening her rear hole (caps are in the respective order).



coming to Juliana, i must say, she does a good job. not only her anus seems to be very flexible and inviting, so the dick can dap easily, she also is focussed as well as Melissa on the action. but she has the advantage of being fucked by well-trained guys (in comparison to Melissa). her hands support the action, she hold her legs apart for easy penetration and try to keep her body in the right position. she even try to tease herself seriously as she stimulates her clit with big effort. her position with her face quite focussed on the initial insertion and during rcdap, her clit stimulation and her post dap gape. take a look at the caps (in the respective order)



final rating: Melissa and Juliana were triple a right from the start, the studs in WE are poor. the loads in the asshole in tcb2 this time make it for Juliana.

aquin

[Juliana Grandi (Karmen)]

i am shoked what are you discusing here!!!

[dap-addict]

… With both girls pay attention to their hands (clinching, relaxed etc) and their faces during the daps …

coming to Juliana, i must say, she does a good job. not only her anus seems to be very flexible and inviting, so the dick can dap easily, she also is focussed as well as Melissa on the action. but she has the advantage of being fucked by well-trained guys (in comparison to Melissa). her hands support the action, she hold her legs apart for easy penetration and try to keep her body in the right position. she even try to tease herself seriously as she stimulates her clit with big effort.

I dont see much difference in the quality of dap performance of Juliana and Melissa. And the cum-shot doesnt really belong to the dap. (This said Juliana`s hold wide open gape and that dick shoving the thick cum-stains back into her ass, are really hot! )
Melissa is way more passive, that`s true. But than both her rc and cg daps are better if one doenst take the lengh in account. Juliana does a really good job in rcdap (and you rightly point at her squirt session during that dap), but please do also pay attention to the fact that especially at the beginning those dicks do really not dig her ass deep. It`s mainly dick heads play miles away from any attenpt to shove it in balls deep. Juliana here also doenst help, by grabing those studs for instance. She opens her legs fine, she is really relaxed and looks inviting at them, but it looks like it was previousely agreed that they dont really trust into her ass. With Melissa dispite a really much worse camera work in rcdap this looks much better. We dont see any balls-deep dapping either, but all close-ups show those dicks deeper than just only to the dick-head.

So much for the usually easier to perform rcdap. For the cgdap discussion I need some more caps first...


To Juliana: You must be jokeing! Do you know how much fun this kind of analysis is for us dap-fans?
And: You as well as Melissa Black are the cream of the crop of Eurodap girls for sure!

[aquin]

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I dont see much difference in the quality of dap performance of Juliana and Melissa. And the cum-shot doesnt really belong to the dap. (This said Juliana`s hold wide open gape and that dick shoving the thick cum-stains back into her ass, are really hot! )
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first of all, yes, both girls perform very well. these are above the average dap actions. and i agree that the cumshot ending of Juliana's doesn't count here. but i still think there are serious differences. i will put the argument another way around and say that it might be some kind of over all attidude which is not only connected to the female performer but also to the male ones. a dap is not only a challenge for the girl but also for the studs in many ways. i have the feeling in WE they don't give so much as in TCB2. and only because Melissa is such a devoted performer she can keep the level of the performance up.

to Juliana: it shows how much we adore your work .

aquin

[dap-addict]

and only because Melissa is such a devoted performer she can keep the level of the performance up.

That`s certainly true!
The more often I watch Melissa dapped in WE I get the feeling it`s actually a battle of dap-friendly Melissa vs 2 badly booked studs. It`s such a pity!
Still watching Juliana`s TCB2 dap again I do wonder why two such high class studs dont thrust it deeper into her ass? Before they start to bend her legs vertical it all looks like a forplay for the advanced super-anal-lady, which has it`s nice feel, too, of course.
At the same time as soon as they start to move deeper into Julianas pooper in cg, she sort of looses her good humor. aquin writes she looks bored, but I`d rather call it stressed... (for more I need more caps first)


Finally I still wonder what they have cut with that crucial dap insertion? Judging by Julianas dap-ability and attitude it almost certainly was a stud`s problem, still later they perform flawless. The funniest I can immagine is Vadim and Girogio disagree over who is the anchor Juliana... Anyway, this crucial leave-out makes at least a few minus points.
And this all shows us that dap is not only up to the girl and her studs, but also the director and his aides.
Btw, maybe Joachim Kessef could give us some hint here, wheter he cut that scene or maybe Giorgio Grandi for instance? And if so, what happened, Giorgio?

[aquin]

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Finally I still wonder what they have cut with that crucial dap insertion? Judging by Julianas dap-ability and attitude it almost certainly was a stud`s problem, still later they perform flawless. The funniest I can immagine is Vadim and Girogio disagree over who is the anchor Juliana... Anyway, this crucial leave-out makes at least a few minus points.
And this all shows us that dap is not only up to the girl and her studs, but also the director and his aides.
Btw, maybe Joachim Kessef could give us some hint here, wheter he cut that scene or maybe Giorgio Grandi for instance? And if so, what happened, Giorgio?

i totally agree, the answers lies in the editing. what we see is just a "compilation" of the actual shot which was edited be someone who focussed only on the event dap cg and rc. he or she didn't care about the unfolding action and the re-action.

And: you are right about the head of the dicks, this is no real dap to me, too.

aquin

[dap-addict]

I wouldnt go as far as to say that as little deep as two dick-heads only in the girls ass is no real dap.
But it for sure shows a cerain attitude of all performers involved.

At the same time as soon as they start to move deeper into Julianas pooper in cg, she sort of looses her good humor. aquin writes she looks bored, but I`d rather call it stressed... (for more I need more caps first)

...anyway, to Juliana`s cgdap: (caps in order of appearance)

During cgdap insertion Juliana soon looses her relaxed rcdap look. The dicks went much deeper into her ass than in rc, this time viewers also wern`t deprived of both initial insertion attempts (this here being the second).

Realizing the problems of the girl, Giorgio takes the hige red buttplug to widen Juliana`s ass a bit more first...

...but during the 3rd cgdap insertion Juliana`s previousely still relaxed hand now also starts to cramp. The girl is obviousely stressed. The dap is held minimum short.


Now for most dap-able girls the real test usually starts with the rcdap. Melissa, who is very relaxed and jumps right into rcdap instead of takeing the easier road of first widening the pooper up in rcdap, also starts to grasp for that latex sofa sheet as soon as her (less well endowed than in Juliana`s case) fuckers start to bang her ass simoultaneousely. Melissa`s grasp however is not cramped, but rather an attempt to withhold the force pushing her from behind:



Thus, to me, Melissa performs better than Juliana in rc.
And if I had to give dap perforance points, than I`d count cgdap twice and rcdap once only.

But I am curious what you think, aquin?
And all the rest of those 500+ readers of course, too!