Retired - Victoria Swinger

[Steve]

If anyone actually wants to see any of the totally unseen material let me know. I can create a sampler of the scenes and you can pick one which I can possibly edit up if I have time.

I have enough server space and bandwidth to accomodate anyone who wants it.

[superduper]

How about seeing VS laugh her head off ? Not faking it, I assume.

The thing about the Dow is, nowadays no-one (or few people) actually buy shares, they merely take short-term bets on the direction of the Dow, be it up or down, called either a BUY or a SELL, and if you can predict the market direction with only 66.66 degree accuracy, that is enough.

In fact one of the reasons the Dow is not a good long-term investment is that its movements are more or less created by short-term speculation. But to BUY or SELL bets is the name of the game at the moment.

People use short-term instruments instead of buying shares and bonds, but it is ridiculous that portfolios have been so sold around the world that the sub-prime in the US can affect French banks.

[dap-addict]

The thing about the Dow is, nowadays no-one (or few people) actually buy shares...

Steve, in case you wonder, of course there are peole here wanting to see un-released VS material. At least I hope so!

[superduper]

What I meant was, people who trade on the movements on the Dow do not buy shares. The Dow price itself depends on purchase or selling of shares, but traders (speculators) tend to use short-term instruments, and the general direction of the Dow is influenced by the amount of speculation up or down, although it does not directly cause shift up or down.

Short-term instruments cost about a tenth of the price of shares.

[superduper]

So, in scenes where Victoria was the solo girl, how did the guys get hard if she gave them little help ? Was it with some off-camera help ?

Then she did two girls and one guy scenes, like the one with Simony Diamond or a lot with Mya Diamond. Is it like the guys got stimulation from the other girl and she just sucked on the end of it.

It sounds like a case of, Victoria didn't suck because she sucks.

If she hated anal and sex generally, did she hate cum as well, and try to get as little as possible ?

Maybe Victoria's dvd should be called, "Victoria Sucks", a compilation.

[superduper]

Notice, I just did, "V S" equals "Victoria Swinger" and "Victoria Sucks".

[superduper]

"Victoria Sucks". The tagline is, "Not just her blowjobs".

[dap-addict]

It sounds like a case of, Victoria didn't suck because she sucks.

Superduper, it sounds a bit cheep to me if we porn fans start a VS bashing now, the more as before nobody here seemed interested in her.

I guess as most of the people not really likeing their jobs VS also had her good days. You also have to remember that the boys she was working with are professionals, who usually dont really need a girl to suck them hard. This said looking at the VS scene I know best again, in Lusty Legs 2 she actually does suck quite miserably and no help from the stud made her blow just a bit deeper than the dick head. Here actually it was surely Liz Honey who kept the heat alive.
In other films, however, she may have sucked deep and fine. Please somebody point me to one of them!

[superduper]

People have different views about if she was any good. All I will say is, I've seen worse.

But what might be interesting to know is, did she think she was good ? Did she have a distorted view about how good she was, or did she really think I'm just doing this for the money, I will try to become a big star, but it is really beneath me to make much effort. Was she always going through the motions in anticipation of the pay cheque ?

Or maybe if she really hated sex generally, was she not able to pretend she liked it sufficiently to fool most people ?

It seems she liked the idea of being a top porn queen, but not the reality, the day-to-day grind of unpleasant sexual activity.

Did she delude herself she was great, and not look at the reality ?

[Steve]

Superduper, mints mate!!

You know those paper thin super mints that blow you mind when you pop em in your mouth, well Vic invented a system with them. I think the real purpose of those mints was made for breath freshening (or maybe for interrogation purposes) but VS found a whole new use for em.

Now, remember that the pop shot is not actually linked usually to the actual scene. Scenes generally go... director shouts "rolling", scene starts. General order of things, foreplay (either girl blow first and then licked, or vice versa), then the screwing in whatever chosen positions and when all done and dusted a quick zoom in on guys face pretending to pop, then girls face pretending to orgasm and stop...

Now we go in reverse and photographs are taken. So the do static screwing positions going backwards through the positions they did with the photographer taking the images (this is why often there are different positions in the photographs to what was in the scene... people have short memories). Right back to the foreplay photographs and then sometimes back to putting clothes back on to the very begging of the scene photographs (however they are usually done prior to rolling). Probably explains why often the girl is wearing different clothing in photographs.

Right, photographs done, so now pop shot. In the bit here where they are all getting ready and the dude is standing around or walking around yanking his chain, the girl is usually sat waiting. When the guy is ready everyone rushes to the position, and pop... the final bit is done.

What VS does is pop one of those thin mint things in her mouth prior to a facial. She says that she tastes nothing whatsoever so could not care less about the pop shot.

If the pop shot gets a girl in the eye btw, the girl after the scene for the next few hours will have a really really sore red eye. If your ever doing shooting and want to use the same model twice, the first pop is usually not a facial so that she is not doing the second scene with a bloodshot eye.

[Steve]

Just for the record and to show why I did the post about VOD sites... the BTS stuff shows all this usually and it sucks that downloaded VOD's fail to include the behind the scenes.

I mean, I have as much behind the scenes stuff for VS as I do actual shoot material because that is where she is actually a funnier person. However, if I start editing this up and displaying it to everyone you will see how on shoot one she was a nice pleasant person and after the sixth shoot day (done only 2 a week), she had become impossible and would walk off to avoid the bts... that was the start of all the crap and her career falling apart.... I kinda have the fall of VS on disk.

[Steve]

I'll make up a few movies and then you can ask about bits and what you want to see more of. Rather than me spending countless days editing up the whole lot, I'll leave you to decide what you want to see (i.e. full scene, or bits of a scene, or the scene chronographically (i.e including the bts in the scene to see how the shooting went, etc).

Gonna start with a festival compilation first. There is still a ton of stuff from her festivals that has never been shown and the dance routines and stuff are rare to find on the net. Especially when a lot of the stuff I have was recorded by Kovi who was on the stage with her during the routine.. that kinda stuff you never see.

Gepont has probably seen most of this as I am sure he was there. I have the following festivals Pecs 2004 (2 main stage routines and a three luxx stage features plus bts), Szeged 2004 (four main stage routines and two luxx stage shows (one with gergo) plus bts), Budapest 2004 (I no longer have HQ stuff but I have the infamous catwoman show from her old site), Szeged 2005 (A ton of stuff. We kept the camera's rolling none stop at this event and capture tons including exclusive photoshoots and scenes made specifically for her website), Pecs 2005 (two shows and some awful bts and crap photographs. I never went and someone else did the material and it was dire). Budapest 2005 (even more than Szeged 2005 and we just kept it rolling... probably 4 hours of stuff... lol)

[dap-addict]

Now we go in reverse and photographs are taken. So the do static screwing positions going backwards through the positions they did with the photographer taking the images (this is why often there are different positions in the photographs to what was in the scene... people have short memories).

Shouldnt this part fall short by now with film equippement getting better and better?
I guess only the glamour front cover shot has to be done seperately, which happens usually prior to rolling.


PS: Rather than festivals, Steve, I´d like to see one VS dp scene without cuts and including bts from start to end - with all those photo shots, her opening that mint packet etc.

[superduper]

That sore eye bit explains why girls often close their eyes before a cumshot, or jerk their head away, not to avoid cum on their hair, but in their eyes.

That mint bit sounds sexy.

[Steve]

The typical video cam used on a production has a max resolution of 720x576 (i.e DVD quality or sometimes 420p quality). Pro SLI cameras are usually 6-10 megapixel or 3200x2400 with dedicated still photo lenses and hefty flash guns.

Take your screenie above. See the interlacing which is a noticeable by product of video cameras. Most video cameras (apart from really professional shoots like hollywood) will interlace frames so that frame one contains the horizontal lines 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc and frame two will contain the horizontal lines 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. When sped up to 25fps or 29.97fps (depending on PAL or NTSC) the interlaced effect is not visible (and generally will be progressively scanned to fill in the missing detail). See how the horizontal lines on your screenie are out of alignment because at that particular time there was significant movement happening. Thats why video camera equipment is not used for the screenshots.

I know that perfect gonzo always says "these are a screenshots" etc as some of their images. Now, this is not totally true. If they were screenshots, then where the hell is the asstraffic/allinternal logo that is on their videos. Might be screenshots, but probably from the original source material and then brushed (surprised no one has ever spotted that).

So, the photography bit will remain until someone finds a better lens type to add to the CCD cameras to improve overall quality. I think I mentioned on my VOD post that HD in porn is still not really HD.