Adds from Diseno Media (spankingserver, pain4fem, etc.)

[Orso Nero]

Introduction

Diseno Media is the producer behind the SpankingServer and Pain4Fem sites; they also make full fledged movies available on dvds.

Their content is mild to moderate spanking/caning, and their models are almost exclusively czech babes (the only exception thus far being the very well known us model Niki Flynn).

They are of interest for EBI because most of their models are indeed EBI babes. Not only, probably thanks to the overall mildness of the content, they've been able to cast quite a few well known, slightly oldish, softcore only babes (probably caught in the descending phase of their career...) I personally find this quite intriguing.


Their productions can be broadly divided in these categories:

1) Full fledged movies (45-60 min) with a storyline
available on dvd in the Pain4fem line, and as payperview on Pain4fem-online

2) Short clips without a storyline
available on SpankingServer, and eventually released later on dvd in the SpankingServer line

3) 'Spanking Machine' productions (10-20 minutes for episode)
available individually on TheSpankingMachine, and eventually released later on dvd in the Pain4fem line

4) 'Falakaonline' productions (2-5 minutes for clip)
available in packs on Falakaonline, and eventually released later on dvd in the Falaka line (the theme is 'bastinado' ie caning of the soles of the feet...)


Their websites are:
Pain4fem
The showcase for all their dvd productions (both the Pain4fem and the SpankingServer lines). With models infos, abundant previews, links to the dvd shop and to the payperview offer...

Pain4fem-online
Downloadable movies, from the Pain4fem line of dvd only.

SpankingServer
Their subscription website, which features their short clips productions.
Note that it is somewhat different from your normal subscription site, since there's limited availability of past archives. They can be instead purchased separately from SpankingVideoClub (*1)

SpankingVideoClub
Here you can purchase the past archives of SpankingServer, in 12 or 24 clips packs. The neat thing is that they are packaged in three different ways: by publication date, by model, by kind of action.

TheSpankingMachine
Here you can purchase individually the various episodes from the Spanking Machine productions (wmv@1500k, 7€ each). Naturally they're exclusive to the site.

falakaonline
Here you can purchase the various clips from the Falaka productions (in 15 clip pack at 17€ each, format is realmedia, 400x320/720x576 @700-1000k) Naturally they're exclusive to the site.


Here are some related considerations as far as EBI additions goes:

- Here on EBI are already present 15 entries for spankingserver.com and 2 entries for pain4fem.com

- Entries from spankingserver.com and the SpankingServer dvd line should in theory both be added, after all this is as things have always been done here (eg there are entries for both asstraffic.com and the Asstraffic line of movies, and so on)...
In practice I'm not so sure (about adding entries also for the dvds), since I realize that the tipical dvd features around 30 short clips of 30 different models, and so I feel that adding them will just clutter needlessly the relative models's pages, without apporting any effective benefit: after all the crucial informatiom is that a given model is on spankingserver.com, from that one can figure out the rest pretty easily... Apart from that, it is also a lot work, both for me and for the unfortunate soul who has to add the entry here...

- About pain4fem-online.com:
I think that third-party vod/payperview sites are not - correctly- candidates for additions, but I don't know if there's an exception when they're the official site from the original producer.
If this is not the case then the two entries for pain4fem.com () in the database should be removed (and in the other case they should be changed to pain4fem-online.com)
Naturally the entries from the Pain4fem dvd line should be added in the movie section as usual...

- I think that it is best to subsume SpankingVideoClub under SpankingServer, since it is only a front end for SpankingServer's past archives. Should one insists in considering it distinct, then one consequently should have to embark in the sheer madness of removing the entries for SpankingServer as the relevant episodes move to the status of past archives thus accessible only from SpankingVideoClub.

- I think that both the entries from the TheSpankingMachine website and the relative titles on dvd should be added (eventually dropping the dvds) since the website is in a way the primary source (ie the material is first and foremost available there, and only after is eventually released on dvd. The same for Falakaonline vs the Falaka line of dvd (*2)


The actual adds will be on the next post (as this one would become too long and clumsy), organized for actress.


Notes
(*1) While this at first may seem a ripoff, I concur with the review at TheSpankingSpot that after looking at the quantity (and quality) of the available contents compared to similar sites the thing is at least fair after all...
In detail this is what you get with a monthly membership:

.) A new never-before-seen SpankingServer Clip for every day.
.) Over 10,000 downloadable photos in our archives.
.) Clip Packages 1, 2, and 3 = 84 Video Clips.
.) Our previously archived Clip Packages with 28 Video Clips (to be changed every 2 months).
.) An entire Pain4fem Video Film from our library of over 25 Films (to be changed every 2 months).


(*2) This is moot, since I was not able to locate credits for the dvds in the Falaka line...

(*3) And no, I'm in no way associated with them

[Orso Nero]

1 Positive Ids.

Here are all the adds relative to identifications that I'm sure of.

Link to the model page on spankingserver.com

Adriana Malkova (*1)
Web
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Adriana]
thespankingmachine.com (spanking) [as Adriana]

Adriana P. (*1)
Videos
p4f 23 - Precint Patrol (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Karin]
(NB: not completely sure about this id.)

Aiwe
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Karolina]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Karolina]

Bianca
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Bianca]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Bianca]

Billy Raise (*2)
Videos
p4f 026 Auditions - 1 (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Billy]
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Billy]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Billy]

Bridget (*1)
Web
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Bridget B]

Cabiria
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Cabiria]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Cabiria]

Daria Glower (*1)
Web
thespankingmachine.com (spanking) [as Daria]

Ellena
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Ellena]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Ellena]

Gina (*1)
Web
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Gina B]

Hannah Black (*1)
Videos
p4f 28 - Spa Patrol (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
... cfr. for instance these pics
Web
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Hannah] (*3)
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Hannah]
thespankingmachine.com (spanking) [as Hannah]

Jessica Sanchez
Videos
p4f 23 - Precint Patrol (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Jessica Sanchez]
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Jessica Sanchez]

Katerina
Videos
p4f 01 - Illegal Download (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 03 - Strict Prison (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 06 - The Pioneers (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 07 - The Tyrant (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
... cfr. for instance these pics
p4f 15 - Strict Prison 2 (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 19 - Strict Prison 3 (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 25 - The Whipping Machine (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
... cfr. for instance these pics
Web
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Kelly] (*5)
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Kelly]
thespankingmachine.com (spanking) [as Kelly]

Katty N.
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Katty 1]
(NB: not completely sure about this id.)

Kitty Salieri (*1)
Videos
p4f 10 - Boot Camp (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 14 - Judicial Caning (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
... cfr. for instance these pics
Web
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Katty] (*4)

Liana (*2)
Videos
p4f 02 - Lazy Maids (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as]

Lucie Kr. (*1)
Web
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Lucky]

Nataly
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Nataly]

Nicol H.
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Kitty]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Kitty]

Rachel Evans
Videos
p4f 08 - Bordello Patrol (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Jenifer]
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Jenifer]

Regina
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Regina]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Regina]
thespankingmachine.com (spanking) [as Regina]

Sandra Sanchez
Videos
p4f 15 - Strict Prison 2 (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
p4f 22 - School Days (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Sandra Sanchez]
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Sandra Sanchez]

Sunny Jay
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Sunny]

Tatiana
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Valentine Rush]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Valentine Rush]

Veronika S.
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Vika]
(NB: not completely sure about this id.)

Virus Vellons
Web
spankingserver.com (spanking) [as Cynthia Vellons]

Zuzana P. (*1)
Videos
p4f 22 - School Days (Diseno Media) (spanking)
... prw of the movie from pain4fem here
Web
pain4fem-online.com (spanking) [as Charlie]
falakonline.com (spanking) [as Charlie]


The following models are already credited by EBI on spankingserver and don't have any new adds. I just want to check that I've correctly identified the stage name used thereof.

Jana X [as Alisson]
Veronika V. [as Daniela]
Angelika [as Jenny Lee]
Lola [as Lucie]
Klara G. [as]


Notes:
(1) Already credited on EBI for spankingserver.com
(2) Already credited on EBI for pain4fem.com: this should be changed instead to pain4fem-online.com (see introductory post)
(3) credits from p4f-28 have not yet been added to the models page both on pain4fem and pain4fem-online...
(4) she's not credited for p4f-14 on her page, but this is an oversight on their part...
(5) she's credited in a non spanking role for p4f-07 and not credited at all for p4f-25 on her page, but these are oversights on their part...

[paroxysmia]

Wow

Nice work!! Thx.

It's clearly Veronika S. (Yenna) as Vika, I confirm that.

[bakerboy]

Good work here and very detailed. I am sure there will be more. I do like their site.

[Orso Nero]

Wow

Nice work!! Thx.

Good work here and very detailed. I am sure there will be more. I do like their site.

Thanks for the compliments!

For sure there are still a lot of other EBI babes there, still waiting an id!
Quite a few models there have all the hallmarks of well known softcore only models, and I was unable to id. them only for my lack of knowledge... For others I had a faint idea, but the post was already too long. Others still don't look like probable EBI material anyway...

I considered proposing tentative id / asking for id / etc. etc. in this thread, but then I decided that it is best to do so in a dedicate thread(s) in the id. forum.
So I began with this post there. More to follow.

By the way, anybody can confirm the stagename for Jana X, Veronika V., Angelika, Lola, Klara G. ?

[robot]

i looked and karin is not adriana p.
different face/nose/hair/eyes/body/boobs, shorter of at least 7cm

i have to admit, my first reaction was: hey, nice work. then i realized it was about a canning site. about which i said in another post from Chris and Facialmaster, that I will ban and remove from EBI because i m against violence AND sex. well... let;s just say i'm too lazy to click on the "lock" button, and that i will not add these entries to the respective models myself. If nop, sbando, frigo want to get those in their portfolios, fine, it's their business. As for me, i'll pretend I didnt see that. but if i see regular entries of that kind in the index/forum, i'll certainly ask my friends to reconsider what EBI is doing.

[bakerboy]

that I will ban and remove from EBI because i m against violence AND sex.

I am amazed at the hypocritical comment and position by Robot.... Most of the stuff here is about stretching anuses by various menas, deepthroating, cumshots to faces, eyes etc...to many of us, MORE abusive and violent then a bit of spanking or canning. I am asking for a common sense of "consentual and legal "anything"" with Eurobabes should be allowed and calls for banning is really no different then others calling for banning porn alltogether and really hypoctrictical. In my years practicing medicine I have seen a lot more serious injuries including nasty infections from the "most popular" activities around here ( and listed above in my post) and I HVE NOT SEEN ANY from any spanking or canning. I hope that the admin here will not go the route of "porn Talibanis" as Robot seems to suggest, It would be a damn shame !!

[robot]

that I will ban and remove from EBI because i m against violence AND sex.

I am amazed at the hypocritical comment and position by Robot.... Most of the stuff here is about stretching anuses by various menas, deepthroating, cumshots to faces, eyes etc...to many of us, MORE abusive and violent then a bit of spanking or canning. I am asking for a common sense of "consentual and legal "anything"" with Eurobabes should be allowed and calls for banning is really no different then others calling for banning porn alltogether and really hypoctrictical. In my years practicing medicine I have seen a lot more serious injuries including nasty infections from the "most popular" activities around here ( and listed above in my post) and I HVE NOT SEEN ANY from any spanking or canning. I hope that the admin here will not go the route of "porn Talibanis" as Robot seems to suggest, It would be a damn shame !!

i explained in the other thread what are my views. I guess when people like you don't want to understand, they don't understand, it s a waste of time to even discuss anything with narrow-minded persons. Now, call me hypocritical again and I'll taliban your ass faster than you can say "liberal". Maybe you'll understand that? I'll also ban you. You can express your views, you can enlighten everyone with your broad, generous views on porn laws/practices and caning lessons, it's all good. but dont ever call me hypocritical, you ignorant fuck

[bakerboy]

......but dont ever call me hypocritical, you ignorant fuck

... and Merry Christmas to you too

[robot]

......but dont ever call me hypocritical, you ignorant fuck

... and Merry Christmas to you too

thank you, bakie-boy, I love when you're oh so tender with me... May Santa and 2009 fill your little socks with many many DVDs of bruised chicks and evil corporal punishments!

[bakerboy]

Hey... I ought to have known better then pick a fight with a "robot".....and by the way Isaac Asimov was wrong

[Rosseau]

it s a waste of time to even discuss anything with narrow-minded persons

I'm afraid you are not in a position to call other people "narrow-minded", Robot, because you are the one who is acting narrow-minded here. And yes, hypocritical, too. Bakerboy is absolutely right.

(Go on, ban me if you like. I've been putting a lot of work into contributing to this site in the past, adding models / films and working on the EBI Swallowing Index, which nowadays unfortunately I don't have the time to update. I thought that my views would at least be worth considering. But frankly, I don't really care.)

You don't like spanking and caning movies. That is fine, it is all a matter of personal taste. But I don't see why it should be a reason for banning these movies from the site altogether. Other people like these movies, and I believe that EBI should be a resource for everyone. Spanking films like the ones produced by Pain4Fem are perfectly legal and produced in a consensual manner. So it all comes down to a matter of taste, not ethics. And EBI shoildn't discriminate against porn on the grounds of taste - if you start doing that, you can soon start closing down the site altogether.

I don't like DAP's and gaping, for instance. I'm not even a huge fan of anal. But I'm not clamouring to have it removed from the site, am I? Because I understand that other people like it, and I have no problem with it being on EBI. As long as a movie was produced in a legal and consensual manner, I have no problem with it.

You say you are against "violence and sex". Again, that is a matter of taste, not ethics, so I don't see why your personal distaste for consensual "violence" should apply to all of EBI. And besides, what about a site like tamedteens.com, hm? Have you taken a good look at how much gagging, face-slapping, spitting etc. is going on there? Isn't that "violence", too? So why is tamedteens.com on EBI, but Pain4Fem should not be? That is what is hypocritical about your position.

Bakerboy may be blunt in calling you so, but I think he has a point. There is a double standard here. I don't see why he should not be allowed to point this out, much less why he should be banned for it.

You've failed to supply any sort of sensible, coherent argument for your position. Other than "I don't like it, so it shouldn't be on EBI!" How very impressive! And yet, when people confront you about it, you call them "ignorant fucks" and threaten to ban them. I'm beginning to think that you have a real problem with freedom, my friend - the freedom of consenting adults to make and watch the kind of porn they want, and the freedom of people to discuss.

I love EBI and I believe I have put a nice share of work into it, but frankly, I'm disappointed with the bullying, pro-censorship mentality that is around here lately.

[robot]

it s a waste of time to even discuss anything with narrow-minded persons

I'm afraid you are not in a position to call other people "narrow-minded", Robot, because you are the one who is acting narrow-minded here. And yes, hypocritical, too. Bakerboy is absolutely right.

(Go on, ban me if you like. I've been putting a lot of work into contributing to this site in the past, adding models / films and working on the EBI Swallowing Index, which nowadays unfortunately I don't have the time to update. I thought that my views would at least be worth considering. But frankly, I don't really care.)

You don't like spanking and caning movies. That is fine, it is all a matter of personal taste. But I don't see why it should be a reason for banning these movies from the site altogether. Other people like these movies, and I believe that EBI should be a resource for everyone. Spanking films like the ones produced by Pain4Fem are perfectly legal and produced in a consensual manner. So it all comes down to a matter of taste, not ethics. And EBI shoildn't discriminate against porn on the grounds of taste - if you start doing that, you can soon start closing down the site altogether.

I don't like DAP's and gaping, for instance. I'm not even a huge fan of anal. But I'm not clamouring to have it removed from the site, am I? Because I understand that other people like it, and I have no problem with it being on EBI. As long as a movie was produced in a legal and consensual manner, I have no problem with it.

You say you are against "violence and sex". Again, that is a matter of taste, not ethics, so I don't see why your personal distaste for consensual "violence" should apply to all of EBI. And besides, what about a site like tamedteens.com, hm? Have you taken a good look at how much gagging, face-slapping, spitting etc. is going on there? Isn't that "violence", too? So why is tamedteens.com on EBI, but Pain4Fem should not be? That is what is hypocritical about your position.

Bakerboy may be blunt in calling you so, but I think he has a point. There is a double standard here. I don't see why he should not be allowed to point this out, much less why he should be banned for it.

You've failed to supply any sort of sensible, coherent argument for your position. Other than "I don't like it, so it shouldn't be on EBI!" How very impressive! And yet, when people confront you about it, you call them "ignorant fucks" and threaten to ban them. I'm beginning to think that you have a real problem with freedom, my friend - the freedom of consenting adults to make and watch the kind of porn they want, and the freedom of people to discuss.

I love EBI and I believe I have put a nice share of work into it, but frankly, I'm disappointed with the bullying, pro-censorship mentality that is around here lately.

i was gonna quote each and every "point" you put forward, and some do go my way, but it's too much work. Interestingly, i dont like any of the other sites you mentioned either, but does it matter? Again and again, you fail to understand what are my reasons, but that's ok. I never pretended to hold the universal truth, nor have the right to speak for everybody else.

I don't like sex and violence, so i will oppose to it. Where is my argument here? nowhere. I'm just saying I don't like it and a line needs to be drawn somewhere.
what is my justification? just that i am entitled to express my views and opinions, and I can choose to do so this way. I never said I'm the guardian of all things right and good, heck no, that would be a nightmare to the world if I had such powers.

The "ignorant fuck" wasnt nice indeed, but neither was "hypocritical" to me, because those who know me, know that I really hate hypocrites.
but i dont give a damn what you think. I could argue with you guys on and on about the legal aspects (pissing/fisting/sodomy/etc... illegal in some countries? yes they are), the ethics, the consensual aspect, but again, i dont give a fuck. you're funny if you think that this argument will lead to ebi closing down.

I m not sure why none of the others expressed themselves on this matter, but it's ok. As long as I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning, I don't care. And I'm sure it's the same thing for you too. You're simply twisting the facts to suit your views, at least, that's what I think.

Lastly, where did you see that ebi should be a resource for everyone? have you seen zoophilia here? coprophagy? shouldnt they be here too, as they're as legal as caning? oh fuck it, it's a lost cause with you anyway

[Rosseau]

Thanks for your reply. I'm not trying to pick a fight here for the sake of it, you know. I'm just bewildered. And you are right, I don't understand your reasons at all - and apparently, I am not alone with that.

I don't like sex and violence, so i will oppose to it. Where is my argument here? nowhere. I'm just saying I don't like it and a line needs to be drawn somewhere.

I understand that you don't like it. It's a matter of personal taste and that is fine. What I don't understand is why you have to "oppose" it - why you feel the need to make sure that it doesn't get on EBI and that people don't even talk about it on the forums. That just seems prertty extreme and oppressive to me, frankly. Like I said, I don't like DAP's, so I have no particular interest to watch such videos or to talk about them - but I don't have a problem if others do or if they are on EBI. It's live and let live as far as I'm concerned.

I also don't understand why a line "has to be drawn somewhere". Again, all we are talking about is a matter of taste, not ethics or morals. As long as a video is made by consenting adults (not animals, not corpses), where is the moral problem? The standards of EBI should be based around ethical and moral considerations, not around one individual's personal preferences and sense of taste.

what is my justification? just that i am entitled to express my views and opinions, and I can choose to do so this way. I never said I'm the guardian of all things right and good, heck no, that would be a nightmare to the world if I had such powers.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and to express it, just as I am. The difference between us, however, is that I don't want to make my opinions on which porn I like and which porn I don't like the standard for everyone else, the standard by which EBI operates. I'm not saying: "I don't like this and that, so it shouldn't be on the site!"

you're funny if you think that this argument will lead to ebi closing down.

It probably won't, but it could. What if one of you decides one day: "You know what, I don't like DAP's. I think they should not be on EBI,they should not be discussed on the forums, and movies that have DAP's in them will not be added. What is my argument? Nothing. I just don't like them, that's all, and a line has to be drawn somewhere."

He would have exactly the same "argument" as you, and exactly the same "justification" to do what he does. You see, that is the problem, Robot - as soon as you start to make personal taste (rather than ethics) the standard of things, you open yourself up for all kinds of arbitrariness and "I don't like this!", "I don't like that!" nonsense.

Im not sure why none of the others expressed themselves on this matter, but it's ok. As long as I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning, I don't care. And I'm sure it's the same thing for you too. You're simply twisting the facts to suit your views, at least, that's what I think.

I'm not twisting any facts - if I am, please kindly point out to me where that is (not that "you think" I'm maybe doing it!). What I am doing is providing an actual argument for my standpoint (standards should be based on ethics, not personal taste, movies are okay as long as they are made by consenting adults etc.). Which is something you have failed to do. You just argue on the basis of purely subjective preference. That's okay, I see your point - I just don't think it's very impressive, or that EBI should operate on such a basis.

But what do you care about what I think,right?

Lastly, where did you see that ebi should be a resource for everyone? have you seen zoophilia here? coprophagy? shouldnt they be here too, as they're as legal as caning? oh fuck it, it's a lost cause with you anyway

I just think EBI is a better and more valuable resource when it caters to different tastes. Zoophilia is a lot more legally problematic than spanking / BDSM, certainly when it comes to distributing porn with animals, so that is a very different situation - so that should not be on EBI, and in this case there is a good reason for it. As for coprophagy, I'm not into it at all, but I wouldn't have a problem with it being on EBI. What the hell, we already have pissing, anyway. The question is, would there be a demand for it?

If you look at threads like this one, there seems to be an interest from several posters to have spanking films on EBI. I don't see why they shouldn't be, given that they have eurobabes in them and that what they contain isn't really much more violent than what you see in some of the other films / sites that are on here, anyway. So far, you're the only one who I see having a huge problem with it.

I also think it's an over-reaction in terms of numbers - even if all the Pain4Fem, Mood Pictures etc. films where listed on EBI (insofar as they have known eurobabes in them, anyway), it would probably be less than 0.2% of all the movies that are on here.

But you're against these films, so, fine. Okay. I just wanted to make my views known.

[robot]

Thanks for your reply. I'm not trying to pick a fight here for the sake of it, you know. I'm just bewildered. And you are right, I don't understand your reasons at all - and apparently, I am not alone with that.

Geeeeeeeeeeeezz, you really are making me work tonight!

I understand that you don't like it. It's a matter of personal taste and that is fine. What I don't understand is why you have to "oppose" it - why you feel the need to make sure that it doesn't get on EBI and that people don't even talk about it on the forums. That just seems prertty extreme and oppressive to me, frankly. Like I said, I don't like DAP's, so I have no particular interest to watch such videos or to talk about them - but I don't have a problem if others do or if they are on EBI. It's live and let live as far as I'm concerned.

I also don't understand why a line "has to be drawn somewhere". Again, all we are talking about is a matter of taste, not ethics or morals. As long as a video is made by consenting adults (not animals, not corpses), where is the moral problem? The standards of EBI should be based around ethical and moral considerations, not around one individual's personal preferences and sense of taste.

Ah I think I can try to enlighten you a bit then. EBI is a commercial venture. When it "gets" on EBI, you can click on links therefore activate a referral fee that kicks back and retributes EBI for the sale... of the website/dvd. I guess you can understand why this is not so neutral to have specific content to resell on the EBI model cards. For the sake of argument, let's say we're ok with linking Coprophagy material (like the 2 girls from "2 girls 1 cup", eating the freshly squeezed out, fuming, greenish turd and then gargling with shit/vomiting on one another), well, in this case, think what you want, but my opinion is that EBI will be actively engaged in the moral decaying of society. As if we're not all going to hell already i'm kidding, i don't believe in god.

what is my justification? just that i am entitled to express my views and opinions, and I can choose to do so this way. I never said I'm the guardian of all things right and good, heck no, that would be a nightmare to the world if I had such powers.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and to express it, just as I am. The difference between us, however, is that I don't want to make my opinions on which porn I like and which porn I don't like the standard for everyone else, the standard by which EBI operates. I'm not saying: "I don't like this and that, so it shouldn't be on the site!"

i think i made my point just above, maybe you will agree now. If you opened a grocery store, I think you'd be quite entitled to choose which products you want to sell, regardless of the many diverse customer taste out there, and if for some reason you don't like the way pumpkins smell, then you'd choose not to sell them, even during halloween. I bet a lot of people would look at you funny if you tried to explain to them.

you're funny if you think that this argument will lead to ebi closing down.

It probably won't, but it could. What if one of you decides one day: "You know what, I don't like DAP's. I think they should not be on EBI,they should not be discussed on the forums, and movies that have DAP's in them will not be added. What is my argument? Nothing. I just don't like them, that's all, and a line has to be drawn somewhere."

He would have exactly the same "argument" as you, and exactly the same "justification" to do what he does. You see, that is the problem, Robot - as soon as you start to make personal taste (rather than ethics) the standard of things, you open yourself up for all kinds of arbitrariness and "I don't like this!", "I don't like that!" nonsense.

that's funny, because that guy who doesnt like DAPs is me!
and if you're allergic to nonsense, you should've started scratching years ago with us.

on a more serious topic, i put caning very close to the rape/fantasy rape/torture/serial-killer/snuff sites. I can see you jump from here and you will see me oppose to that stuff. always.

Im not sure why none of the others expressed themselves on this matter, but it's ok. As long as I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning, I don't care. And I'm sure it's the same thing for you too. You're simply twisting the facts to suit your views, at least, that's what I think.

I'm not twisting any facts - if I am, please kindly point out to me where that is (not that "you think" I'm maybe doing it!). What I am doing is providing an actual argument for my standpoint (standards should be based on ethics, not personal taste, movies are okay as long as they are made by consenting adults etc.). Which is something you have failed to do. You just argue on the basis of purely subjective preference. That's okay, I see your point - I just don't think it's very impressive, or that EBI should operate on such a basis.

But what do you care about what I think,right?

i guess i do, otherwise i wouldnt ve spent 15mn of my poor life trying to make you see the light

Lastly, where did you see that ebi should be a resource for everyone? have you seen zoophilia here? coprophagy? shouldnt they be here too, as they're as legal as caning? oh fuck it, it's a lost cause with you anyway

I just think EBI is a better and more valuable resource when it caters to different tastes. Zoophilia is a lot more legally problematic than spanking / BDSM, certainly when it comes to distributing porn with animals, so that is a very different situation - so that should not be on EBI, and in this case there is a good reason for it. As for coprophagy, I'm not into it at all, but I wouldn't have a problem with it being on EBI. What the hell, we already have pissing, anyway. The question is, would there be a demand for it?

that's a good example of twisting right there. You just decided that zoo is problematic, and "different", and coprophagy is ok...
and you know very well that there's a good demand for that kind of kink. We had a few light scat threads in the old forum, and it was quite active.
anyway. i'm sure you know what i'm talking about

If you look at threads like this one, there seems to be an interest from several posters to have spanking films on EBI. I don't see why they shouldn't be, given that they have eurobabes in them and that what they contain isn't really much more violent than what you see in some of the other films / sites that are on here, anyway. So far, you're the only one who I see having a huge problem with it.

I also think it's an over-reaction in terms of numbers - even if all the Pain4Fem, Mood Pictures etc. films where listed on EBI (insofar as they have known eurobabes in them, anyway), it would probably be less than 0.2% of all the movies that are on here.

But you're against these films, so, fine. Okay. I just wanted to make my views known.

well i hope this clarifies our positions, both of us. if not, fuck it