Ashli Orion

[camaban]

I've just checked out those two movies at CDuniverse, some really good looking gals there. I bet he would have sold double if there'd have been anal in them. Or am I wrong? I wonder what percentage of buyers look for only movies with anal in them like I mainly do?

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A lot. I also would buy these 2 with 3 or 4 anal scenes in it. But none is way not enough!

[Lee]

So why shoot two movies with no anal when he probably could have shot just one movie with all anal & sold more than the other two put together? Seems strange for someone with an anal background like Erik.

Shooting scenes with NEW girls which are vag only can make sense as you are showcasing them for hopefully future more extreme work.

[dap-addict]

no anal for the cover girl of a movie called "What an Ass"???? Thats rediculous!

No that's normal in US porn today.
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I hope that this trend will never reach Eastern Europe!

If we dont want this to happen we have to fight for it!
Just look at CC`s new projects. It`s already the first step.




Btw,

What I also don't like is the planning of the porn careers in the States. When is the right time to do a special act to get the most profit? Is anal or interracial good for my career?

There are agencies especially in Prague doing exactly the same with thier girls.
It`s a shame!
The more as they completely miss the point as far as Europorn is concerned. At least up to now.

[laura]

i think most of you guys know wher i stand on the whole anal v on anal debate. I do find is worrying that only 25% or us babes will do anal and as a true anal lover cant help but feel that some of there us studios are taking a big risk. Surely this will result in sales dropping as more and more real porn fans will buy more europorn. Maybe then will the us studios see the error of their ways!

[Lee]

Well said Laura.
The US porn sales must take a hit if people would rather watch harder Euro porn. There are some great American girls doing anal ie, Dana deArmond (one of my favs), Sasha Grey, Holly Wellin etc etc but the Euro girls in general have the edge.

[priapos]

no anal for the cover girl of a movie called "What an Ass"???? Thats rediculous!

No that's normal in US porn today. Nearly all new girs in US porn refuse to do anal. I think that they earn enough money without it, so they decide not to do it.

There are so many hot new girls like Tori Black or Summer Verona for example, but girls like Missy Stone who do anal nearly from the beinning of her porn career are very rare today. And that's the big shit for me with US porn these days.

There's no competition with Eurobabes anymore because good directors like Vouyer, Everhard, Mike John, Chris Streams,... who all shot a lot in Europe a few years ago now only shoots in the US. And if you look how many of the few anal friendly babes are not American, it's really sad. On ladirectmodels.com from 123 listed babes only 25 do anal that are 20%.

The directors look to compensate this with more and more rough scenes (choking, spitting, slapping, ...) but to love that is a matter of taste. But if you read on ADT the porn fans there are mostly satisfied?!

What I also don't like is the planning of the porn careers in the States. When is the right time to do a special act to get the most profit? Is anal or interracial good for my career? ...

And Frigo, not only one girl in the What an ass series is doing anal. Also Erik Everhard has recently published to DVDs with exactly zero anal scenes. I hope that this trend will never reach Eastern Europe!

I hadn't expected this thread to focus on the issue of newer American starlets avoiding anal, but it's certainly a valid topic.

I can agree with or at least understand much of what Camaban and others have said. There is indeed a fresh crop of American newbies that are on my radar who are not performing anal: Ashli Orion, Cam Love, Paige Taylor, Scarlett Pain, Veronique Vega, Alexis Love etc. There may be any number of factors contributing to this trend, including the market & personal preferences. That these are all gorgeous girls & hot performers, however, cannot be denied imo.

Now i enjoy watching a good ass-fuck as much as the next guy (or gal) here, believe me. And it's true that there are and have been for sometime more attractive EuroBabes routinely performing anal than Americans. That's why i'm a fan of EBI and on this forum. But there are also a number of babes on the index that i absolutely adore who haven't, don't or won't: Aneta Keys (1 or 2 exceptions), Puma Black, Black Diamond (2 exceptions), Sneila... Or even dont do b/g: Lysa, Krisztina Banks (Aisha), Brigitta Hunter (Britney), Stella (Orsi), Susana Spears...

So for me, the first criterion is almost always the attractiveness of the actress in question. There are plenty of big time analistas on both sides of the Atlantic, such as Audrey Hollander or Sandra Romain, who hold little interest for me. On the other hand, there are performers like Lara Stevens & Julie Silver or Jade Marcela & Tiffany Holiday who are the full package of attractiveness & performance. This leads to the whole issue of the distinction between beauty & sexiness, the aesthetic & the erotic, which is too recondite a topic to attempt to tackle here.

What kind of perturbs me about the whole discussion is the tendency to make it into European porn vs American debate. I've grown weary of attempting to speak up on behalf of American girls lately on this forum, which is by definition devoted to East Europeans. I'm here because i'm a big EuroBabe fan, even as i begin to discover some fresh talent in the US and try to bring them to people's attention.

To conclude, let me just say, yes, there is a discernible trend of hot newer American girls (2007-08) not performing anal. But if we just take a slightly longer term view, no one can deny the anal credentials of Sasha Grey & Bree Olsen (perhaps the 2 biggest stars in the states these days) or Whitney Stevens & Cody Lane. What about Hillary Scott & Kelly Wells, if u like things more extreme (and noisier)? What about Melody Max & Sativa Rose, whom i never thought i'd see taking it up the ass, turning into such fine analistas? Surely there are dozens & dozens of good to indifferent Americans currently performing anal... There is such a huge talent pool over here now that it's impossible to keep track of who's hot & doing what. I think this mini-trend will run it's course and we'll see more American beauties going back to the Greek Way. Take Missy Stone, for example, who completely slipped under my radar. Perhaps she's the exception that proves the rule of supply & demand in the porn talent market place.

[hopless3]

and as a true anal lover

do yo mean watching or doing?


and if it's doing whats it feal like?

[Lee]

Laura is a sweet innocent girl, she would never dream of doing such things!

[hopless3]

Laura is a sweet innocent girl, she would never dream of doing such things!

really! - she's come to the wrong place then

[laura]

watching of course! Imho there is nothing as visually exciting as seein a babe get ass fucked. And as for doing none of your business!.... Actually its ok but not as good as pussy sex

[laura]

ps note to priapos. Have you ever thought about being an author for you are a very articulate young man!

[priapos]

ps note to priapos. Have you ever thought about being an author for you are a very articulate young man!

Articulate, maybe, but alas no longer young. But thanks, you're sweet to say so

Actually its ok but not as good as pussy sex

I'd have to agree with you there Laura.. As Christopher Hitchens said: "The four most over-rated things in life are champagne, lobster, anal sex and picnics." (To which some blogger retorted: "A date without anal sex is like lobster without clarified butter.")

[laura]

well young at heart then! And nice of you to quote one of our proud english journos - now is he the fascist or is that his brother?

[Lee]

Take Missy Stone, for example, who completely slipped under my radar.

I'm glad to say I've seen some good things with Missy, especially Teenage Anal Princess #8. I did read in an interview recently though that she won't be doing anal regulary. Now what regulary means in porn scene terms I don't know but at least she's willing to do it. And boy, she does it well!!

[Ashli Orion]

Awe thank you "priapos" for your kind words and support <3 <3 <3

I just thought I'd like to give you guys a little FYI about anal... hehe...
I actually LOVE to get fucked in my ass, and I LOVE double penetration, which is why you might see me stick my fingers in my ass while I get fucked during a lot of my scenes....
But, as a newbie who loves porn and wants to stay in it as long as possible I have refrained from doing anal work. If I decided to do anal, most of my bookings would be anal and then I would have to worry about not eating so much, using enemas, and abusing xanax (just kidding... sort of hehe).
So as long as people want to shoot me for vaj work then I don't need to do anal.... most girls don't start doing anal until after a year.
I have indeed been doing girl/girl/anal scenes (I don't think any have come out yet) which consists of doing scenes with girls and sticking toys up eachothers asses I'm practicing...
Oh, and I've noticed that only the hardcore porn junkies are the ones that want to see anal! In America there are way too many conservative people who like to see pussy penetration... I mean people even watch softcore!! Now that I am a pervert in porn I want to see the nastiest shee-ot available, which includes lots of anal... but from a business standpoint it's smart to hold off until I'm ready to sacrifice my asshole. <3