The Russian DAP attack

[dap-addict]

Ok waiting for lesson 2

Lession 2: Ukraine
When porn in Russia was still barely existant and only Pierre Woodman would shortly venture to Moscow in his search for new talent, Ukrainian girls would already shoot dap along with the most enveloppe pushing Eurobabes in Budapest.

Nikoletta (not on EBI yet, but here is a forum tread about her) shot her first dap along with Silvia Saint for Frank Thrings famous Double Anal Club 1 in 1996! (The first decent Russian dap was shot 10 years later) And it was her who around 2000 started to introduce Ukrainian girls to the Budapest biz, actually providing it with some of it`s best Eurodap girls at the time. Alissa was managed by Nikoletta as well as Polina and many others like Kristina flocking into Anabolics than important World Sex Tour line giving the World really fresh daps delivered by rookies.
Around 2005 Nikolettas dap well dried out for unknown reasons. Pamela, shot by CC for a good dap in Euro Angel Hardball 25, must have been one of her last girls. Nikoletta had no successor. And Ukrainian cuties thus basically stopped to work in Budapest.

But thanks to Wiska the Ukrainian flag continued to fly high in Europorn. The cute Crimean girl marked another migation route of Ukrainian talent, tough - not to the West and Budapest but North to St. Peterburg. Wiska shot 3 daps for DDF, who started to shoot in Russia and with Russian girls flown into their Prague/Budapest studios amongst the first. Finally also CC shot her for his Russian Angels. The movie title tells Ukraines newer dap history - they firm like Russians! A bitter end after Nikolettas glorious start in 1996.

Epiloque: New visa regulations made it difficult nowadays to work in Budapest/Prague for Ukrainian girls. The times Ukrainian dap girls worked together with Eurodap VIPs like Sandra Romain from Romaina ( Lession 3) or local dap girls like Vanessa Virgin or Jenna Red seem past. But St. Peterburg is an option, too. A light in the tunnel for the Ukrainian dap tradition, that always looked to the West.

Some screencaps illustrating ten years of Ukrainian DAP History (lately happening in St. Peterburg, too):
Enjoy!

As said above, not like Russia, Ukraine did never developpe an own porn production. To shoot porn Ukrainian girls always travelled abroad - mostly to Budapest, since Hungarian EU accession also to St. Peterburg. But thanks to this some really good daps were shot from the very start, without Kiev or Odessa haveing to wait for the French and Italian knowlegde transfer.

[cleopatrox]

I'm sorry but I think a lot of mistake.
99% of times is the production that pay the test for the girls in Russia.
In Russia we do those tests
epatit B, C
HIV
Sifild
Clamidia
and Gonorrea.
Those are not the standard test, usual the standard test is without Epatit B, becouse in Europe the people is vaccinated (in Russia not).
This is for Me, Sineplex, and Forengin productions.

The problen about the test are the russian productions that USUAL WORKS with no blod examination for new models also.
My experience tell me that the big mistake is DON'T DO the test for the new person that arrived in the businnes.
Usual, every months the girl do the test minimum for one production, may be for 2.
If you tell me that sometimes same girls works with the test a little hold I agree with you, but this is normal in Buda or Pragh too if you know your partner or if your partner is a usual workers in this businnes.

About papilloma virus: I know that exist aroud 12 tipe of papilloma virus (may be less or more, I don't remember exactly), but for 7 kind exist one vaccine (that is not possible to buy in russia or in italya also)

Personally I think that I sow less problems in Russia than in other country, but this is one job, and every job has its risks, and every day something can appen.

Specially I know for sure that SINEPLEX send all the models to do those examinations.

Bye

Giorgio! We know that you and your friends are professionals, but please, be cautious with young ,cheap russian girls, who are ready to do everything for little money. It will be sad, if some nasty shits will force you and Juliana to start to shoot with condoms!

[giorgiograndi]

I'm sorry but I think a lot of mistake.
99% of times is the production that pay the test for the girls in Russia.
In Russia we do those tests
epatit B, C
HIV
Sifild
Clamidia
and Gonorrea.
Those are not the standard test, usual the standard test is without Epatit B, becouse in Europe the people is vaccinated (in Russia not).
This is for Me, Sineplex, and Forengin productions.

The problen about the test are the russian productions that USUAL WORKS with no blod examination for new models also.
My experience tell me that the big mistake is DON'T DO the test for the new person that arrived in the businnes.
Usual, every months the girl do the test minimum for one production, may be for 2.
If you tell me that sometimes same girls works with the test a little hold I agree with you, but this is normal in Buda or Pragh too if you know your partner or if your partner is a usual workers in this businnes.

About papilloma virus: I know that exist aroud 12 tipe of papilloma virus (may be less or more, I don't remember exactly), but for 7 kind exist one vaccine (that is not possible to buy in russia or in italya also)

Personally I think that I sow less problems in Russia than in other country, but this is one job, and every job has its risks, and every day something can appen.

Specially I know for sure that SINEPLEX send all the models to do those examinations.

Bye

Giorgio! We know that you and your friends are professionals, but please, be cautious with young ,cheap russian girls, who are ready to do everything for little money. It will be sad, if some nasty shits will force you and Juliana to start to shoot with condoms!

I really would like shoot movie only with condom, but the market don't allow this!

[cleopatrox]

I really would like shoot movie only with condom, but the market don't allow this!

Honestly, I better watch cheap comedy than porn film with condoms. Those kill the all of pleasure. I saw some films of Marc Dorcel. It is like the educational film of safe sex for students! Sorry, Giorgio! Sex should be fun, but condoms are real limitation. No creampies, DAPs with rubber.. no, no, no! It is the reason, why good testing system is very necessary everywhere, I think! Producers need to be very careful.

Most of fans love your films, because they know, that it will be real extreme action, real hardcore with real no-condom fuckers like Juliana and others!

Stick it!

[dap-addict]

It is the reason, why good testing system is very necessary everywhere, I think!

Can we leave it at this point now?
Or do you have to hijack every Russian porn tread from now on?

Giorgio knows it, Joachim knows it, Aleksandr knows it....porners have to provide a product that sells - like in every other business, too. And producing it safety comes first, the more as todays directors are fucking many of their girls themselfs!

[cleopatrox]

It is the reason, why good testing system is very necessary everywhere, I think!

Can we leave it at this point now?
Or do you have to hijack every Russian porn tread from now on?

Giorgio knows it, Joachim knows it, Aleksandr knows it....porners have to provide a product that sells - like in every other business, too. And producing it safety comes first, the more as todays directors are fucking many of their girls themselfs!

I am not against russian porn and their girls. They have a nice girls. Many of them are wild and crazy for sex. I am worried about tests in Russia. Penury is not a good thing. If the girls are ready to do everything for 200 USD, it is not good wish. Remember Daren James and Brazil! One stupid mistake closed down US industry for several months and many performers and producers started shoot with condoms!

The fact is that many of russian girls do the real extreme things like DAP, A2P, creampies. For example - young russian girl Prima. EBI has a list from 9 of her films. 2 of them are with DAP scenes, 2 of them are with creampies including creampie orgy! Ask for AIM specialists. It is high risk level. It is good that they have a such crazy girls, but they need to take care about such girls. I think you will agree with me, that news from people about Sineplex and problems with tests in Russia are not good.

I should like to see more DAPs and creampies from such girls like Prima! Did you see Prima in Creampie orgy 6? Her and Poly ass scare me a little. What do you think?

[dap-addict]

I am worried about tests in Russia. Penury is not a good thing. If the girls are ready to do everything for 200 USD, it is not good wish. Remember Daren James and Brazil! One stupid mistake closed down US industry for several months and many performers and producers started shoot with condoms!

Dear cleopatroux, you seem little informed about the Russian market. Russian girls dont do everything for 200 $, but they do work for lower fees than the girls in Budapest. Tests are basically the same, with just the difference that in Russia, not the girls pay them, but the producers. I thank that`s fair, because tests are really expensive in Russia compared to all other services/goods/food/transport etc.

There maight be/maight have been a weak point with Sineplex biz model. But than Wiska wrote open about all their practices, but never mentioned a testing problem. And Wiska in her VIP tread mentioning her Sineplex troubles is a very level headed, health conscious girl. Thus why not trust her?

And no, I dont see a problem with Primas ass. On the contrary...

[dap-addict]

As an admirer of Prima and Jane i think i must have to take a quick course on DAP history

I always loved Russia

This is specially for you, Camarillobrillo!
...but all other Prima fans may have a look, too, of course:

Haveing first posted Combat Zones dap girl Noell, here now the best Russian Devils`girl: Prima in Teen Tryouts 57:
(click to enlarge!)

This scene is very nice, indeed!
First there is a little story (Russian customer care office), than the dap action starts quite fast and takes about half of the scene.
A drawback is the lack of STA. But the nice final eye-pop makes up for a lot.
very cute and talented Russian dap girl!

Prima starts in both upmentioned new Russian dap films. In another post Eurodap expert aquin pointed out some differences to Primas dap scene in TCB2, which was probabely shot later. The girls performance ist quite different, indeed. But for the moment that`s enough Prima, I guess.
Enjoy the caps!

[dap-addict]

Haveing first posted Combat Zones dap girl Noell, here now the best Russian Devils`girl: Prima in Teen Tryouts 57:
(click to enlarge!)

This scene is very nice, indeed!

I wonder wheter gapelover will attend some dap shooting for Devils in Piter this weekend, too?
Any news on further Devils dap projects with Russian cuties?
or was this an unique Teen Tryouts issue?

[gapelover]

Haveing first posted Combat Zones dap girl Noell, here now the best Russian Devils`girl: Prima in Teen Tryouts 57:
(click to enlarge!)

This scene is very nice, indeed!

I wonder wheter gapelover will attend some dap shooting for Devils in Piter this weekend, too?
Any news on further Devils dap projects with Russian cuties?
or was this an unique Teen Tryouts issue?

I would say it depends on Devil's, if the movie sells well, they will order another one, but they have to find the right girls for the scenes first !

[dap-addict]

I would say it depends on Devil's, if the movie sells well, they will order another one, but they have to find the right girls for the scenes first !

Thanks for your answer, gape!
I see two important - but also troubling - answers here:
First, while Joachim is already shooting TCB 3 and 4, Devils didnt even decide wheter to order more Russian daps yet.
Devils has to decide from as far as LA whom they want to shoot for dap, the local profis dont help them choosing the right girls.

For sure no new Russian all dap issue from Devils before December 2008.

[Juliana Grandi (Karmen)]

this strange boyfriend (cleanlife) of ex model lily come back to our forom! you are welcome!! =)) but its the choose of everyygirl to work or dont work for some company! i know many company in russia that shoot totaly without test!! - i just dont work for them! my first rule its to look test not elder than 2-3 weeks before start to work!! so everygirl have own head - and production just try to save more money!! its normal everybody want to save money?? Cleanlife you not the same in your business?
when i was with giorgio it was normal to go every month to do test - but i am also not sure that all girls that worked for Giorgio Grandi have a test!! so he everytime put himself under risk!! but it his choose for trust of the words of the girls..... - and i dont accept this

[dap-addict]

this strange boyfriend (cleanlife) of ex model lily come back to our forom! you are welcome!! =)) but its the choose of everyygirl to work or dont work for some company!

Thank you for this insider openness, Juliana.
So cleanlife is just another Piter porn producer? I bet he pays all the best tests for his girls with his own wallet...
Anyway, you say it: First it`s the girls choice.
The question just is, does every rookie, possibly coming from the deep Russian province, know all risks of her new Piter job?
She`ll learn it quick form her collegues - but for her first 1-2 scenes?

On the other hand of course no pro wants to get infected, thus the porn studs actually garantee a high testing level.

[cleanlife]

this strange boyfriend (cleanlife) of ex model lily come back to our forom! you are welcome!! =)) but its the choose of everyygirl to work or dont work for some company!

Thank you for this insider openness, Juliana.
So cleanlife is just another Piter porn producer? I bet he pays all the best tests for his girls with his own wallet...
Anyway, you say it: First it`s the girls choice.
The question just is, does every rookie, possibly coming from the deep Russian province, know all risks of her new Piter job?
She`ll learn it quick form her collegues - but for her first 1-2 scenes?

On the other hand of course no pro wants to get infected, thus the porn studs actually garantee a high testing level.

Openness ))) Glad that Gulia was really honest to us - producers whant to save money on girls health((( "and production just try to save more money!! its normal everybody want to save money??"

Sory but my view is - everyone wants to be a rich and spend the money! But it does not mean that you start bargain people on the streets!!! There is a word, probably unknown for you Julia - professional ethika (ethos). This mean that not only cost savings drive the world.

More than this - all producers want to earn the money and have a profit, this is not only cost component here but also revenue.
So, if you do a good films (Sineplex are not - my own view, boaring and low quality dust) then you sell more and earn more money. Belive me, it also can be done professionally with all tests as compalsory role.


Also, thank you thinking of me as being someone boyfriend but you are probably mistaken this time. With the same result I can call you Ben Laden girlfriend, which I think is far from the reallity)))

Again I'm saying not about all produsers, not all of them are not professionals.

As I said before I closed the topic, sorry to come back again to this theme.

[cleopatrox]

As I said before I closed the topic, sorry to come back again to this theme.

Why you want to close this theme, Cleanlife. It is very important to talk about it. It is not the shame to talk about real problems. To shoot porn without tests and to spread the diseases among performers are shame!

If Juliana said that some producers shoot porn without tests, she know what she say, I think. We need to know the truth.

Performers like Juliana always put herself at serious risk. She work without condoms, make anal sex, DP, A2M, A2P, DAP, internal cumshots. I think every fan want to see more of this stuff, but not to see her on the sickbed or condom-only shoots.