Joleyn Burst

[david-perfectgonzo]

David, so what's your take on this? You are def. a professional producing great porn on your sites. Do you find this behavior from your competitor (friend?) acceptable?

It's just sad

My opinion on competition? I think competition good, I am a big believer in the beneficial forces of a free market, especially for our customers. I think very highly of Legalporno, Woodman Films, DDF etc. At the end of the day more competition offers models more work, gives them a chance to make more money on a regular monthly basis. Consumers get a wider variety of scenes, so they can get the type of porn entertainment they like the most. I think its great for everyone involved.

One suggestion I have for everyone on the forum: Stop believing in a black and white world. I see a lot of attempts here (Not sure why!) to make Pierre or Legalporno or whoever to look as '100% bad guys'. Here's some news for you: the world doesn't work like that. Stop pigeon-holing people and companies, it's not that easy. I think all companies (Legalporno, Woodman Films etc) are doing a good job, treat models well generally and overall are very professional. I believe in a generally positive attitude in people and that applies also to porn companies with a track record of shooting thousands of scenes and serving millions of customers.

Yes sometimes I hear a model cry about one shoot at Legalporno, the next one complains about a shoot at Woodman, and I am sure some other models also whine about my own company! We all make mistakes, my company included. That's life. We can all try to become better, but pointing fingers at others isn't really constructive IMO.

Just my 2c

[izentgood]

^perfect David. No more bullshit words !!

[Pierre Woodman]

Sorry David but as you know I have a huge respect for you because you are a nice man, doing his job the best he can and with respect for his models. But Tubes are just shit !!!
Try just to imagine a world without them ...

PW

[makker]

David, I fully agree with you ! You have shown to be the grown up here. Thanx for your comments.

[Am0rIn0]

These search results at xvideos are that hight because they are mostly content partners and cooperate with them. Perfectgonzo for example provides low res teaser clips to xvideos, in exchange they receive traffic via links. understandable if we consider that xvideos has an alexa rank of 42.

[makker]

These search results at xvideos are that hight because they are mostly content partners and cooperate with them. Perfectgonzo for example provides low res teaser clips to xvideos, in exchange they receive traffic via links. understandable if we consider that xvideos has an alexa rank of 42.

Indeed, PW is overblowing the impact of a site like Xvideos. A lot of porn sites are working with tube sites (like Xvideo, Pornhub, Porntube etc) by proving shortened videos or example complete videos to get traffic to their own sites (they otherwise never would have had) or getting paid by advertising. Sure there are some pirated videos on them but let's face it: piracy will always be there, whatever the countermeasures and Tubesites are much better than Torrent or download sites in this respect. You could get totally fucked up by it like PW seems to be (and pissing off a lot of porn consumers, companies and girls) or be relaxed about it, accept it somehow and get paying consumers who want to reward your efforts by producing great content like David. If honest people (the majority) really love your work, they will reward you. I also think the lack of real trailers of PW scenes, unlike Perfect-Gonzo's ones or LP's ones, makes a difference.

As an example, I would like to get attention to director Greg Lansky (originally from France) who is now very, repeat very, successful with his sites http://www.Blacked.com (IR) and http://www.Tushy.com (anal). His perfectionism and attention to detail gives superb cinematic video quality and excellent scenes. Girls look stunning and beautiful. His websites and DVD showcases sell like crazy and Blacked has already won loads of awards. Many female customers are paying members of Blacked (says a lot). Girls are literally begging him to get on Blacked (and prob.Tushy too). Recent news is that superstar Riley Reid will do her first anal and DP on Tushy.com . Never seen that much excitement for a long time. Hopefully Greg will also do a European version too.

So very successful even though some scenes appeared on Tubesites (but they are co-working with them).

In short, don't make such a mess, life is short enough.

[david-perfectgonzo]

Try just to imagine a world without all this ...

PW

Its OK to disagree Pierre. Where would we be if we all have the same opinions. And I see where you're coming from as you put an incredible amount of passion and personal energy into your brand and production. As you know I took a long timeout from the biz, and when I came back in 2013 xvideos, youporn etc where already "there". So it was easy to accept their existence for me, and to cooperate with them. I know some companies happily co-exist with the tube sites, while others do not (yourself, also abbywinters). I think there's good reasons pro and con for both strategies.

What I differentiate though is a tube site and a production company. Say someone hates the tube sites (youporn, pornhub etc.) who were built massively on stolen content. Then why hate the production studios owned by the same company (realitykings, brazzers, mofos). That's the logic you use with xvideos + legalporno or did I misunderstand? Seems to me most big tube sites are owned by companies who also own their own production studios.

IMO if we want to point fingers we ought to blame lawmakers who adopted a stupid DMCA law which made tube sites (and file lockers!!!) possible in the first place. Without this idiotic law these sites wouldn't have been able to start in the first place.

A world without tube sites? Its like the porn cinema operators in Vegas who were making millions in the 1970s. And then in the early 1980s VHS porn tapes (which people copied at home) came and destroyed the cinema business. I am sure they were also dreaming of a world without VHS . Economic history is full of these examples, I don't think this is news to any of us.

[Pierre Woodman]

Well, the death of the 35 mn because of the VHS, is same more or less than the death of VHS by DVD's and I'm well placed to tell how much has cost me the death of DVD's because of the internet but all this as nothing to do with the fact that some people who owns the biggest tubes of the world block every day 280 millions potential customers for all regular producers like me.
All gouvernments are idiots because those people doesn't paid any tax and they are absolutely not productives ( Legal Porno is just a miror builded to stored as soon as possible 1000000 videos and open a new free site in HD and 4K in order to assassinate more the Xbusiness ) but if all this thieves wasn't there, each country will collect billions and billions from an industry in full expansion and all customers will have the chance to see much prettier girls doing porn and there will be more candidates too because it will be less easy to send links to FB, TW and family if not at disponibility for free as it is almost for all today !!!

I'm surprise to see many producers here feel good seeing their work at Xvideos, ( it's not only part of videos and low quality like said Amorino ) and I would like to believe it brings you really something but myself, from the day I have started erase the hundred of thousand of videos on all tube and P2P ( not all sadly ) my turn over as jumped over 35 % more. As anyone, I don't like spend money for nothing, but a good DMCA service is usefull, at the condition you really fight hard !!!

PW

[Am0rIn0]

Agree, but you fight against windmills. You (and other big guys) should have fought tubes 10 years ago when they were small (but growing) flowers. Where have you all been at this time? Playing lil games to piss each other legs while not seeing the real threat on the horizon?

Now the biggest ones are among alexa top 100 and it is too late.

Xvideos now offers 50% revshare for content owners for sales on banner ads, if they provide full scenes. That's their most recent clou.

[andybaxx]

Woodman, what are you doing? Leave Joleyn alone!!!

I did not want this and decided stop to speak on this topic but I feel I must because this Makker and many others are so ready to believe anything ...
end of first discussion at begining was three weeks ago. The other yesterday ...

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PW

I saw the casting and she speak almost no english?
I´ve watched after I saw this thread the WUNF and LP Gonzo scene right now.
Where is the difference regarding the hardness

http://www.legalporno.com/watch/30230/j ... porn_sz949
http://www.wakeupnfuck.com/scene/joleyn ... f-162.8188

Me as porn viewer in generally not like this when an young teeny model get destroyed and punished by many guys, it´s not real and it turns me off, porn should be a bit real, speacially gonzo porn. A girl like she would never ever do in private life this, so I can´t use it as jerk-off. BGA and DP isn´t it enough? like years ago?
I´m not an fan of cockfestivals
Please shoot with such girls more scenes like GGG, BGG, BBGG, BGG, BBGGG, BBBGGG, Solo incl anal but also pussy only but the best is a mix of pussy and anal

[Pierre Woodman]

Makker:
A lot of porn sites are working with tube sites (like Xvideo, Pornhub, Porntube etc) by proving shortened videos or example complete videos to get traffic to their own sites (they otherwise never would have had) or getting paid by advertising.

Amorino :
Xvideos now offers 50% revshare for content owners for sales on banner ads, if they provide full scenes

Ok guys ! then are you ready to play a game with me ? We go all 3 to a German notarious, and we do an official contract telling that I invest 100 000 euros every month on this banner system of Xvideos and if at the end I get profit on it, the money is for you, if not you have to paid the balance to me !!!
Do I have to fly to Germany tomorrow ?

Better we speak about Joleyn here, I have more scene with her in stock and I'm sure, soon, lot of people will missed her a lot ...

PW

[andybaxx]

I'm not interested in xvideos Pierre.
I've meant the scenes are the same style of you and LegalPorno.
Not understand if you mean me or whom now?

I miss her already. Maybe she'll come back for solo gg BG

[horndogger]

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. LP has positive traffic trends, and is now ranked 14,000 in the world. Woodman Castings has negative traffic trends and is at 37,000 ranked. LP releases scenes quick to generate traffic and membership. Woodman Castings releases scenes so slowly its like watching a glacier. The only time a scene is released quickly at WC is when the competition is also publishing a scene of the same girl.

[Pierre Woodman]

It's not Alexa who brings the money !!! My best on Alexa has been a 26 000 rank before I start use a DMCA service and at this time my turn over was 40 % inferior than today ...
Five years ago I was watching Alexa rank almost every day, now every three month, even less. It has no impact at all on my life anymore, it's just good for ego but nothing to do with money and even I am sure more your contents are pirated more you are high on Alexa but on my case it's the worst.
Dorcel is ranked 43 000 and they did 34 Millions Euros in 2014. I remember once few years ago I was in a restaurant with Rocco and at this time I was ranked 31 000 and he was 62 000. So I did a bad joke to him about it. He took his phone and gave a call to someone at Gammae cash asking why it was like that. Then in the next months he imediatly climb to the 25 000 level for a very short time and then went back where he was very fast. Today he is 73 000 but I don't feel he has any money problem with his site ...
I think here too many people have a big mouth and want tell me what I have to do after 25 years in this industry. I am seriously shocked to see some people on this forum held a red carpet to one of the biggest thief of the world, gives him a tube of Vaseline, drop their pants, spread their butt and thanks him for popping over their asshole !!!
I will never be one of them ...

PW

[david-perfectgonzo]

As I mentioned earlier, IMO there are two distinct strategies one can follow as a studio, both can work well if you know what you're doing. You can combat tubes and keep your content off of them (abbywinters, Pierre, many of the big brand DVD studios), or you can cooperate and use them as a traffic source (Fuckyoucash, JAVHD, Paperstreet, Ruseful and others). I never said one strategy is better than the other. I never said I recommend one strategy -- that would be disrespectful and arrogant. It's a matter of personal strategy choice. Both can work IMO.

Also lets not forget how we got top this discussion point. I just wondered: why the hate for Legalporno as a production studio for being owned by a company who operates free tube sites? I don't get it. Then we should also hate Realitykings, Twistys and Brazzers because they operate Youporn and Pornhub? There is nothing that makes Youporn or Pornhub ethically any more legit or better than xvideos. Nothing at all. They were all built on stolen content using loopholes in DMCA law.

Sorry guys it was my fault we got into this discussion -- and we got so offtopic. My apologies, back to beautiful Joleyn Burst