ARENA

[Sir Noel Plum]

But come on, you guys want to believe in these situations, you are asking to believe women routinely do double anal with a smile, you want to believe anal sex is clean, you want to believe a beautiful girl can be convinced to do hardcore just by a crafty guy who charms her and woos her using intellect. That's foolish. And that's what you want to see. Nobody wants to see reality, where the girls are money hungry skanks ready to stab you in the back right after the shoot. We all want to see beautiful girls doing sex acts that looks like pleasure because that's what we like.

And there you go shattering all my illusions in one go

Seriously, you make a good point here but you overstate it a little. I don't mind seeing 'reality' and don't find it a turn off to know that act x was done only for the lure of money (and I loathe the oversanitisation of anal sex - I mean don't go out your way to make it dirty but if shit happens, shit happens ffs!) but some people do seem to want to be spoon-fed ther bullshit AND for that bullshit to be real. That is cloud-cuckoo land they are living in, right there.


As for Woodman, whether or not it is sensible to keep berating him after he has left kind of depends on what his modus operandi really does consist of in these circumstances. If he is simply just a bit of a cunt then these exchanges here probably are just flogging a dead horse. However, if he DOES routinely attempt to poison the well with regard to his competitors, or apply pressure on the models to grant him exclusivity through threats, or otherwise, then these are not things we can so easily turn a blind eye to; these are things that affect producers and consumers alike well beyond the limits of his own sites and forums.

[dap-addict]

One thing is for sure, thanks to this fights here we learnt so much about the bts of porn.
For many fans it may have been a shattering delusion, a dream destroyed. But hey, it doesnt harm to remember that porn is just part of the show biz, the dream and phantasy industry. I never thought girls would genuinely enjoy performing dap, all I want as a consumer is to convincingly enact as if they would. The rest is money, the right moment of proposal for this or that sex act on a porn set, her addictions to consumer goods a.o., her dependance, her psychology etc. For all involved on her side (agents, producers, life partners etc) its often a thin line to walk.
But its the same in music, fashion, sports even.

Apart from this I am sure PW will be back.

[Whispering Death]

Of course he will be back but first he needs to grow a pair.

[UDO]

We don't have to bury PW, of course he will be back soon as he feels he don't get kicks on the ground. Anyway is'nt that bad to remember him , he is also fallible.
He has such a big sexual appetite, that he will continue to work, and bring new girls day by day into the biz, whoose pics will be taken from his websites, and uploaded here for fans to be discussed. Maybe better without dates, and real names. Without mentioning whom fucked them first, as robot asked, than will not be any reason to fight. People will talk about them concerning they're performance, and beauty, if Pierre will bring us same beauties as in the past.
Interresting this competition on who was the first it was a reason for fight of agents when a model was booked by a production, and had to decide which agency will get his fees.This is what I started to feel, when Pierre started to act like he want to be the best agent, the recruiter for Europorn. When I talked about a totalitarian control he exercised, I was reffering on theese kind of actings. When you find a girl, spend your time, and try to be a person on who she will look with respect, than the producer you meet with he is acting like he is superior on every terms.Hey Hunny-Bunny, your agent is only one pimp, he will want to take procentage after your work, he will give you all the shit works just to make money, but me I am paying you from my pocket, because I want you have only good works, future, and not getting shit money blahblahblah. Don't tell your agent how much money you've got from me, only the half, because others will pay you only the half of what I gave you, your agent does'nt have to know you've got today 2 dicks in the ass the same time, cuz I keep this video, and will show it only in 2085, when you already will be a grandma, your agent if he will find out what you did, he will push you to do it with others, they can't do it same good way as I do,know, etc.
So hopefully Pierre will understand he is doing too many errors when treating people, coworkers, that he will change a bit, and like this he will have better looking girls step by step, and the fans the same will be more happy like this.
Of course I will continue to give you here insights, mostly when I will know there is a lie, or shit behind some action. But you have to take this as constructive, a behaviour wants to keep things in they're correct professional way.

[erotic_dude]

Of course he will be back but first he needs to grow a pair.

Not so sure. Linda Sweet's interview at Czechcasting nails PW completely. Her birthdate is 8 Nov 1993. She is asked her age and she says she is 19 and will be 20 soon. She is asked how long she has been in the business and she says since June. She is asked what her biggest regret is and she says the first guy in this business- she was innocent and dumb and did an anal scene with him for 2000 Czech Crowns (80 Euros). She says that she is still mad about this. So by Linda Sweet's own admission she has been in the business since June 2013 and her first scene was with a guy that took advantage of her naivety and she is still mad about this. But PW managed to interview her in April 2012 and states categorically in his forum that there is an initiation scene.

I wasn't aware of the financial part(she did not mention this) but I did mention on Linda Sweet's forum that her first scene in porn was in June 2013- an anal scene with Mike. Shame PW is not active as I would have loved to read his reaction.

I have also read with interest about people's perception of porn vs reality. Here's food for thought. A model earns a quarter for a bg scene today compared to what models were earning 10-15 years ago.And she has to do a lot more for that money. No wonder so many of them escort. The simple truth is that all the models are in it for money. Some might enjoy their job, some don't. But their primary reason for being in this business is money. And one of PW's question's in all the interviews is why the model wants to be in this business. I thought he would have figured this out years ago.

[dap-addict]

Four times less!
Where have you got that figure from?
Russian girls working in Piter earn much less, but in Prague, Budapest and Paris fees are down compared to the exorbitant hights of around 2004/5 but not that much.

Main motivation to side escorting is that far less scenes are shot today than 10 years ago. Here btw we got some intersting bts bits about PWs claims and scheme, too. As for Linda Sweet: anal for 2000 CKr...she must have been really urgently in need of money! Or just rad for Mike! Naivity alone doenst explain such a low fee.

[erotic_dude]

Four times less!
Where have you got that figure from?
Russian girls working in Piter earn much less, but in Prague, Budapest and Paris fees are down compared to the exorbitant hights of around 2004/5 but not that much.

Main motivation to side escorting is that far less scenes are shot today than 10 years ago. Here btw we got some intersting bts bits about PWs claims and scheme, too. As for Linda Sweet: anal for 2000 CKr...she must have been really urgently in need of money! Or just rad for Mike! Naivity alone doenst explain such a low fee.

I was speaking to a well known model from the early 2000's a few days ago who mainly did solo but a few boy girl scenes. The going rate then was 1100-1200 Euros per bg scene. I also know that Cayenne Klein before her retirement a few years ago was commanding twice for her shoots than what she get's paid today. And I meant a quarter in real terms (after inflation).

I don't think Linda was blaming Mike. I think she was mad at the producer. It's all there in her czechcasting interview other than the bits that I have written about. She was dumb.

If the models are paid now what was being paid 10-13 years ago a lot of them might not need to escort. So clearly the income from porn is not enough for many models.

[Am0rIn0]

about fees now and 10 years ago you must also consider inflation, buying power of money gets less each year, but fees stay the same. we are at an point where you cant lower fees anymore as they are already only double of 1 hour escort service in western countries.

but 1000 eur per scene only for well known models, newcomers around 400 eur per scene.

i wonder how models can get fooled that much 80 euros for anal? this is a crime. where was the agency who took care of her in the beginning?! i worked with lena in july and did one of her first scenes. one of the first (if not the first) agency who worked with her was united modelling.

[erotic_dude]

about fees now and 10 years ago you must also consider inflation, buying power of money gets less each year, but fees stay the same. we are at an point where you cant lower fees anymore as they are already only double of 1 hour escort service in western countries.

but 1000 eur per scene only for well known models, newcomers around 400 eur per scene.

i wonder how models can get fooled that much 80 euros for anal? this is a crime. where was the agency who took care of her in the beginning?! i worked with lena in july and did one of her first scenes. one of the first (if not the first) agency who worked with her was united modelling.

that's what i meant. Then it was possible for models to make 1000-1200 Euros for a b/g scene compared to 400 today. So after inflation it is only a quarter. Now only a handful of models command 600 for a b/g scene. And I am only talking about classic b/g.

btw who is lena?

[makker]

Thank you erotic_dude for finally exposing the lies of PW with the words of Linda Sweet herself. From now on I would suggest everyone to give 0% credibility of everything Pierre Woodman says about his castings. He lies, manipulates and deceives all the time. End of story.

Now let's go on with better stuff

[ogpaps]

35 pages and still nothing new!
The whole industry knows about it for 20 years and only here at EBI a few didn't.

And then u want to believe some that lied for the same persons for years...
The biggest joke ever!
Models in private will tell u the worst things that happened to them but hey they wanted the money!

Bunny u're way to kind lately, u have a weak spot, man up and rumble all of our asses!
Board should be back to members only so viewers and fans don't have access to this bitches fight that make us, u and everyone look bad.

Let his fans believe him, but no one is duped and dinosaurs at one point disapear...

Everyone have a good one!

[dejanbear]

In almost every sentence someone says PW is liar. When he wrote on Lindas thread wrong information he admitted his mistake, but everyone continued to call him LIAR, till he leaved forum. For ordinary forum reader (like 99% of members) that is bad, because we like to read his words.

So I will ask Am0rIn0 to admit he LIED, to be at least to PW level. And even you admit that you are LIAR I will continue to call you LIAR for some time (lets say 100 times). So you will taste your medicine.
This is Am0rIn0 LIES, that he didnt want to demand:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21691&start=480#p282593

[dap-addict]

Then it was possible for models to make 1000-1200 Euros for a b/g scene compared to 400 today. So after inflation it is only a quarter. Now only a handful of models command 600 for a b/g scene. And I am only talking about classic b/g.

Forgot about inflation. As sad as it looks you are probabely right also for Prague/Buda than.
But before you said they have to do much more for todays b/g rate. Now you say its only classic b/g.
So what more do they have to do to get those 4-600?
And if so, its maybe even 5-6 times less.

[Sineplex-cz]

Of course he will be back but first he needs to grow a pair.

Not so sure. Linda Sweet's interview at Czechcasting nails PW completely. Her birthdate is 8 Nov 1993. She is asked her age and she says she is 19 and will be 20 soon. She is asked how long she has been in the business and she says since June. She is asked what her biggest regret is and she says the first guy in this business- she was innocent and dumb and did an anal scene with him for 2000 Czech Crowns (80 Euros). She says that she is still mad about this. So by Linda Sweet's own admission she has been in the business since June 2013 and her first scene was with a guy that took advantage of her naivety and she is still mad about this. But PW managed to interview her in April 2012 and states categorically in his forum that there is an initiation scene.

I wasn't aware of the financial part(she did not mention this) but I did mention on Linda Sweet's forum that her first scene in porn was in June 2013- an anal scene with Mike. Shame PW is not active as I would have loved to read his reaction.

I have also read with interest about people's perception of porn vs reality. Here's food for thought. A model earns a quarter for a bg scene today compared to what models were earning 10-15 years ago.And she has to do a lot more for that money. No wonder so many of them escort. The simple truth is that all the models are in it for money. Some might enjoy their job, some don't. But their primary reason for being in this business is money. And one of PW's question's in all the interviews is why the model wants to be in this business. I thought he would have figured this out years ago.

She meant another anal before working for us I guess. We pay more than 2000 CZK

[Am0rIn0]

In almost every sentence someone says PW is liar. When he wrote on Lindas thread wrong information he admitted his mistake, but everyone continued to call him LIAR, till he leaved forum. For ordinary forum reader (like 99% of members) that is bad, because we like to read his words.

So I will ask Am0rIn0 to admit he LIED, to be at least to PW level. And even you admit that you are LIAR I will continue to call you LIAR for some time (lets say 100 times). So you will taste your medicine.
This is Am0rIn0 LIES, that he didnt want to demand:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21691&start=480#p282593

call me what you want dumb ass.

i have never called pw a liar, show me that post. i wrote that some things look strange and his exclusive strategy is a fact he even doesnt deny, but here he is also not the only one. basically the whole porn biz is a "lie" as it is about phantasy and peolple love to dream.

you really should keep wanking and let the insiders debate about porn biz.