LEQUIPE wrote:How funny to read all this.
This guy Ricardo had arguments here not only with Pierre Woodman but also with Cayenne Klein and other people here. But now, reading the previous posts, he is the beautiful little angel chased by big devil PW...
The previous post is just a good subject of how to put someone in the mud.
If you a are porn casting agent. You are not handsome, you have to fuck a girl in the ass just 2, 3 or 4 hours after your 1st meeting you can't just talk to her about last movie she saw, flowers she likes and the beauty of her dress. It's obvious, if the girl is worth it, that you has to make her dream, make her "see" what she can get by making the big step. You can call it manipulation but it's just what everybody does in a commercial world. If you have to sell jewellery, dresses, shoes, cars, houses, whatever, you do the same : make the person dream.
You talk about hypnosis ? Then if this was true PW would have been in jail since a long time ago because money or not some girls would have went to the police. And it seems he is not the one who has been in jail... (I don't know why Ricardo has been in jail and I have no appreciation about that).
Once again I have nothing to see with Pierre Woodman, I don't know him, I was member of his site for 2 months because I like Angel Hott a lot but I don't like anal and all hardcore stuff, so his productions are not for me. Believe me or not.
Is it me or many girls had become pornstars after working with Pierre Woodman ? Too many to name. But you just focus on putting the guy like a manipulator.
By the way, if Pierre Woodman is a devil, how does others work ? When you are a porn casting director do behave like an angel ? Do you tell the girl : "[i]Ok, listen. We will fuck you has much as we can. We will get your ass, cover your face with semen, slap your face, slap your bottom, call you "Bitch", call you "Whore", sooner or later your friends and family will know about this, they will see the videos, we will not care about your feelings and more important we will give you a little money because you are unkown. Maybe you will become a pornstar, but that's just maximum 3 girls by year and only then you will earn a lot of money. If you don't become a porn star you will go back to your boring job, hoping for many years not to be recognize in the street, hoping your boyfriend will never know about this. Are you ok with that Honeybunny ?[/i]"
This thing ARENA, shows the dark side of some people, only interested in stupid fights. That's not the subject of this forum. This is lame.
By the way, between the Ricardo/Pierre Woodman fight, I just don't care who is right and who is wrong. Who is the lier and who is not. Who is the good or the bad guy : THE TWO OF YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR.
Nobody is devil, even Pierre is a gentle guy, only the pornworld becomed poor, and as you mentioned in your last sentence
some people are going too far in they're actions, only to keep theyre financial status, and image alive.
The time I was met Woodman, he was much more cool, and everybody could forgive his dictatorial behaviour, his addiction on to have a totalitarian control on people working with him, etc.
That time, when he was doing every second, or third month a big production, could givet to a model the same amount of works he give to a model in 1-2 years theese days, when he was not only let the models agents to send theyre models to work for others, but sometime he was helping with some contacts. That time, up to early 2000, he did 2-3 tropical productions, models had the chance to travel in places many east european people can't even dream about. Not to mention, he could permit himself to pay them double, or triple more than today.
Girls did'nt were happy to get fucked by the master before every scene, or just by fun, but having a nice life, and being happy cuz of other reasons, this was'nt something bad for them as it can look for an outsider.
But things got changed in time, and all this dream life disappeared. Of course this is'nt the fault of Woodman, and all industry changed, and had to accomodate at new conditions in all terms.
The adult model work becomed a cheap one in all terms, and verry close to the prostitute one.
Since in 2004 as agent, I could say to my models to be proud they're models, even if they fuck sometime in movies, and get paid for it, today they compete same as whores to can get enough work, or to can act in big budget movie, when they have the chance. 10 years ago the model was respected, they were fucking only on the stage when doing the scene, and all the crue treat them nice, and was just happy to can get close to a nice model, talk to them, have some fun with at the end of production when everybody was celebrating in a party the work they have done. Today the model is treated most of the cases as a whore, from the moment she arrive at the location, getting sexual offerts even from outsiders, like for example the owner of the rented location for that day, not to mention the rest of the crue in case, driver, lightman, production assistant, stand photographer, etc.
By this point of vieuw Woodman's production is a better one, because he is keeping everything, and everybody under his control, people around of him don't abuse, only him
Same was with Viv Thomas, whom when did production abroad, he was even think on separate the male models from females for night time in hotels. They never had the rooms in hotels too much close, and his one was between they're, jumping out from bed at any moment in the night when was hear some noises to control the situation himself

So models were fresh, and excited to work next day, as it had to be. But Viv did'nt fucked the models before his performers had to stick they're dick into them, with the pretext that model need to be prepared for the work.
And because we are at this point, yes some models at the beginning they really need to be prepared, but mostly psichologically, than as Pierre does. What this fuckin ass preparation count when model is stressed ? Nothing. It's just worst. If the model is excited, and ready to get fucked in the ass by a handsome Mike Angelo, the worst is if before she have to accept to get fucked a bit by Pierre. It is more important to women to be menthally prepared for sex than phisically.
So I liked how Pierre handled his production, and I agreed with his ideea on taking under control everything. But I did'nt agreed on getting too much far, and controlling even the private life of models, coworkers.
And the worst is that for theese days he is more concentrated on to control than on to produce a nice quality content.
Today he choosed to perform, because like this he can fuck the girls.So Juliana Grandi, and Foxi Di, have to understand why Pierre is saying he's not interrested to do another scene with Foxi, even if his members are crazy for it....

Pierre does'nt want to suffer, by taking on camera how others are fucking this litle hottie, without he could fuck her.

So better no. It's obvious.
So why I was working with Pierre, when he was so bad with me ?
First of all I did'nt had many chances, and I believed, was hope, he really want to help me get back, as he acted like I was thinking he realised what a big damage he caused to me when reporting my model was working as escort in Paris, and later continuing his troublemaker activity, and pushing me more deep in the shit he maded.
Secondly I wanted to keep him close until I end with this court trial of mine. You know, sometime it's better to keep your enemy close...He goes down the hill, I no longer have what to lose, from here my way lead up to the hill.
And at the end, yes I think we should treat models as adults, being honest with them and telling them the truth.If we are honest with them, they can't expect later more than we offered to them. And same with employers. We don't have to promise them 2000 Eu sallary for start whom if everything goes well can grow up to 4-5000 in a year, but for sure at 10000 in 3 years, when paying only around 350+ giving accomodation, sometime food at the restaurant when working, possibility to have fun with the boss, have a juice, coffee, play some sports ( like an escort ), the rest just stay at home and still work to can have a nice restaurant dinner with the boss friends next day.But your salary never will be more, even you boss is succesful, cuz he want to keep you like this, but at the same time he promote himself by telling to others how gentle he is when giving

4000

Euro salary to his employed,big nice flat as accomodation, and takes him to Bucharest, and Berlin.
Sorry, but I felt better when I could say to my client if my model was'nt at her top performance in a scene to not pay me the agent fee, and to have my 4000 Eu/month in my pocket, spending it as I wanted, drinking a beer if I felt like that, not lemonade, and I could permit myself to travel for 2 weeks in Spain at the beach, or for skiing somewhere in mountains.