Wiska

[Bruno]

Karasek and Brunos' views do not represent reality and most members here have probably realized it by now. They live in a fantasy world.

If it is poverty that drives East European babes to sacrifice their ass or pussy to get into porn what do you have to say about countries like America which is affluent and the average per capita income is 100 times greater that East Europeans? There is not a shortage of American porn stars and there are starlets getting into the business every day. See the forums section on US porn stars.

This is why American girls behave entirely different in porn movies. Unlike Russians, they don't do this job to make some quick money and then disappear again. They see it as a business and want to work in porn as long as it brings them money and success. Most Russian girls don't do that, they disappear after some years to find a "normal" job and get married. Juliana also told us some examples of this in the "What happened to them after porn?" thread. So the money is for sure the most important reason to start with this job for them, like I already explained. For Western Europeans and Americans it's much more a question of exhibitionism, and the number of boobjobs and other adjustments that they do to themselves prove this. After all, they could make the same amount of money with other jobs. For Russian girls this is not the case. Wiska also told about her medical problems aftersome of her shootings. Is she living in a fantasy world too? Is she faking these problems then? So yes, this is really the real world and I am not dreaming.

[Bruno]

Some porn consumers just want to see this girls as victims, exploited poor Eastern European women. Guess it gives them some extra kink.

Non sense. I never said that they are all victims. It's just that in Russia they don't have the same career opportunities like they would have in some Western countries. Everybody knows this.

And it seems unacceptable to them to see these ladies as liberated women who turned their joy motivated by the money they get in addition into their job.

Then why do so many Russian girls quit after a few years?
Why don't they continue their dream job in porn if they feel so liberated and free there???
Because it's again non sense.

Wiska, btw, once when still active within the biz spoke openly about that aspect of liberation in some Ukrainian interviews, only when her asylum troubles started she changed for that anti-porn crusade track. Still, of course I wish her to win that case and be able to stay. From that point on she will be free enough to say openly what can be easily seen in most of her scenes, i.e. how much she just enjoyed it.

Bull shit. Wiska never was on an "anti-porn crusade". Where did you read that? She has always been honest about her work and the reasons why she started this work. Remember, she got pregnant when she was just 16 and she had a baby to raise. Of course when girls are young, they like to experiment with sex, and sometimes also enjoy it. But that doesn't mean that she wanted to make a career in porn like the American models. She just wanted to try new things and earn the money that she needed. After a while, she decided to do some more extreme things, but not because she wanted so much to have three huge dicks inside her, but just because she needed the money, that's also what she said in her interviews. She also said that it hurt a lot and she had some medical problems afterwards. So why do you keep saying that she is lying about this, and that she said this because she is on an anti-porn crusade? There is no reason for her to start a crusade, she just wants a good life without these problems, and the last thing she needs is persons like you who accuse her for lying about her problems! This young woman deserves our respect with her story, instead of flase accusations!

[dap-addict]

Then why do so many Russian girls quit after a few years?
Why don't they continue their dream job in porn if they feel so liberated and free there???
Because it's again non sense.

Have a loo at the Russian porn careers first, please!
Usually those who dont convince you as a performer on set have short careers, others like Cherry Jul, Juliana Grandi, Mandy Dee etc have quite long ones.
Of course since the crisis if a Russian girl doenst manage to work in Budapest/Paris/Prague from time to time she drops out simply for a lac of booings.
Besides, I didnt claim porn was their dream job!

Bull shit. Wiska never was on an "anti-porn crusade". Where did you read that? She has always been honest about her work and the reasons why she started this work. Remember, she got pregnant when she was just 16 and she had a baby to raise. Of course when girls are young, they like to experiment with sex, and sometimes also enjoy it. But that doesn't mean that she wanted to make a career in porn like the American models. (...) There is no reason for her to start a crusade, she just wants a good life without these problems, and the last thing she needs is persons like you who accuse her for lying about her problems! This young woman deserves our respect with her story, instead of flase accusations!

Turn it like you want, but by claiming what she does since she leads her asylum case Wiska actually has joined the anti-porn campaign christian and feminist fundamentalist lead alike. I lined her Ukrainian interviews a few pages back, when still living there she claimed how liberating her job was and how she wanted to sex-educate Ukrainians by performing on porn sets in order to get a more lustful sex live etc. Since she`s in Czech she says all the time how much she was forced to do this job, how bad it was, how much it destroyed her private lust, how much it hurt etc. Thats just bigot!
Czechs are tolerant people! She could have just said that was her job, she often enjoyed it as most of her scenes show and now they want to put her in jail for it at home. No need to attack the hand that once fed her!!!

[Bruno]

Have a loo at the Russian porn careers first, please!
Usually those who dont convince you as a performer on set have short careers, others like Cherry Jul, Juliana Grandi, Mandy Dee etc have quite long ones.

Long porn careers are 5 years or more, and Mandy Dee quit after a few years to finish her study and marry. No problem, because this is only good for her to have multiple options for work and lead the life she wants, but most American models don't study and marry, they just fuck before the camera for as long as they want. And for 80%-90% of the Russian models goes that they stop after a few years, just like Mandy. Cherry Jul and some others are an exception. So either the Russians want to earn some quick money, or they just not love the sex like western girls. I think the first option is the most probable one.

Wiska actually has joined the anti-porn campaign christian and feminist fundamentalist lead alike. ...

Dream on. Wiska has never said she regrets her past work in porn, and she also said always that this was her own choice. She just needed the money to feed her children. Is this really so hard for you to understand?
Who are you to decide for her that she enjoyed all her anal and DP scenes and felt so liberated in her porn work? I never read this in any of her interviews, so this is all your fantasy.
She is an adult woman, she is old enough to decide what she likes or not, and she said multiple times that after some scenes she had problems and pain.
If you don't believe her, try to ram a huge dildo in your ass for half an hour and see for yourself how liberating it feels, then you will understand her better.
You see, girls are not some kind of elastic toy that you can bend and stretch without limits, and on top of that they enjoy everything that happens to them! This only is the case in your paradisiacal dream world.

[Bruno]

You live in a fantasy world. It is a waste of my time to answere!

Why do you answer then?
Don't you have better things to do, like adding a few more female hunting trophies to your list?

[Bruno]

At least I meet women.

You need to pay them first before they will meet you, I think that says it all.
The women I meet are doing this because of me, not because of my money. Maybe they like JOKERS.

[Am0rIn0]

russian girls are completely natural sex maniacs. they have not this sexual blockades and dont feel slutty after a fast fuck like many western girls. if you are man enough, have nuts and she likes you, she will simply fuck you. have a look at those solo-only models on ebi, i suppose at least 75% of them got once fucked by photographers for cash or if it is seductive guy who knows how to play the game even for free behind the camera. sex is not a big deal for an open minded woman if she has a advantage from it like a good orgasmic fuck or/and money.

[Bruno]

russian girls are completely natural sex maniacs.

Ah. So now I understand why last summer when I was in Russia I had to run for my life because of all the girls chasing me because they were all so horny and nymphomaniac.

sex is not a big deal for an open minded woman

Of course. And we know that all the people in Russia and especially the women are extremely open-mided and liberal, unlike the people in western countries.
Unfortunately I live on another planet called "earth" where there is a different reality.

[Am0rIn0]

you dont live on another planet you just see the world with your subjective view what is totaly normal, because you cant see what you have never experiencced. it is the same with all nice guys: they hardly get a woman into bed and than think women are not that sexual in reality and dont like sex at all. but the truth is nice guys are just very unsecure dont know how to seduce a woman. selfconfident men than take care of them and give them the pleasure. of course they will never tell you this, women live their sexuality behind close doors.

of course russian girls dont jump on you in public, you must be the man and take initiative, flirt and joke with them, invite them for a drink, talk with them, get them aroused and than ask her to take drink in your hotel room. if she agrees it is a sign that she finds you attracive and want to get fucked. than when you are alone with her kiss her, touch her and the rest is history. but once she feels that you are unsecure you are out of the game.

come on how many russian women did you date overthere? do you get the women ,who meet you because of you, into bed? or do you think it is not right trying to seduce a girl at the first date so that she suck your cock a few hours later?

[dap-addict]

Exactly!
Maybe we start with this Wisa statements in Summer 2007, Bruno?
http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/ukrainck ... -foto.html

[Bruno]

it is the same with all nice guys: they hardly get a woman into bed and than think women are not that sexual in reality and dont like sex at all. but the truth is nice guys are just very unsecure dont know how to seduce a woman. selfconfident men than take care of them and give them the pleasure. of course they will never tell you this, women live their sexuality behind close doors.

of course russian girls dont jump on you in public, you must be the man and take initiative, flirt and joke with them, invite them for a drink, talk with them, get them aroused and than ask her to take drink in your hotel room. if she agrees it is a sign that she finds you attracive and want to get fucked. than when you are alone with her kiss her, touch her and the rest is history. but once she feels that you are unsecure you are out of the game.

come on how many russian women did you date overthere? do you get the women ,who meet you because of you, into bed? or do you think it is not right trying to seduce a girl at the first date so that she suck your cock a few hours later?

I already expected this bull-shit story sooner or later. It's the well-known story of all the players who think that quantity is more important than quality. Guys who just want to fuck a woman because it boosts their ego, not because they like or appreciate her as a person. You are exactly the kind of guy that makes a woman wonder why she always attracts the wrong guys because you will cheat on her, don't give a fuck about her feelings and character, because she is just a number on your list. You just pick the first random girl you meet in a bar who says yes so you can fuck. In other words, you have your brain inside your dick and don't use it to think and make choices. The girl will make the choice for you, and you don't even realize it. She makes you dance on the table and puts her thumb up or down like a Roman emperor, and you still think that you are in control. Fortunately I can use my brain and make my own choices about which women I like to spend time with, instead of picking the first random bar girl who says yes and who probably fucked five other guys that same week. Probably you have never in your life said no to a nice looking woman who was horny because your brain is unable to overrule your bestial instincts. If this is your way of life, fine, but don't tell me that I'm doing something wrong because I intentionally make different choices. This has nothing to do with self confidence, it has to do with your self-respect and your view towards women. Do you see them as random creatures with a hole that need to be filled, I can understand your story, but I prefer to see them as humans, as persons, as different characters, so I can make a decision in my brain if she's worth investing time in. This is really taking initiative, because it takes more time and efforts, so also the reward will be bigger. You are taking just the easy way, and as a result also will catch the simple girls, the easiest prey.

And probably you are going to tell me now that I am just jealous, because I also want to fuck every possible girl in the street, like you.

[Bruno]

women live their sexuality behind close doors.

And you live your sexuality in public?

[Am0rIn0]

uh oh seems i hit something.

i respect women a lot, of course i hurt a lot of them in the past, but women can stand this. they are not as weak as many people believe, they are stronger with all their weapons than majority of men.

and trust me an educated women with class is easier to seduce than any bitch who get fucked by every asshole. simply because the nice and good girls are bored of all the nice guys around them who give them flowers and poems but dont have the nuts to advance, to kiss them and trying to fuck them. once i dated a girl i met from online dating, she told that she was looking for a longterm realtionship and nothing fast. end of story about 1 hour later i stroked her legs, kissed her and she gave me her tongue what is my sign to go as far as possible. i was not able to fuck her that evening but she gave me a good blowjob. about 4 weeks ago i dated a girl when she was at home with me i simply took her hand and put it on my pants, she than said she wouldnt be that easy to get. with out words i took and kissed her she gave me her tongue and the rest was history. lessons learned: women dont know what they really want, what they talk you cant take serious, so as man you must know what you want to get it.

in the beginning it is quantity of course but after a few dozen women you switch to quality automatically because you will get less and less needy. as men you are generally driven by looks but not only. some were optically not my type but when talking with them their personality made them quite attractive, some were stupid chicks but psychically very attracive. i am out of this discussion, this is my point of view you dont need to be happy with it but should tolerate it or keep on living in your narrow world of bad men and poor girls as victims.

[dap-addict]

I already expected this bull-shit story sooner or later. It's the well-known story of all the players who think that quantity is more important than quality. Guys who just want to fuck a woman because it boosts their ego, not because they like or appreciate her as a person.

Now this Wiska inflicted discussion gets really twisted!
Just when you seem to have nothing anymore to answer turning Wiska into a victim of bad mans world porn after sharkhunters post and that Segodnia interview.
As for fucking a women, sometimes you just need a good fuck, at times you want a deeper and longer relationship. So what! And whats that to do with Wiska anyway?!

[paroxysmia]

Back to topic please, before I start deleting off-topic posts.