Wiska

[dap-addict]

Right, but Czech born children dont get automatically Czech citizenship when both their parents are foreigners.
Her 3rd chield is therefore Ukrainian.
No fair trial in Ukraine is a fact. On this ground she could fight for her right to stay. But I hope she doesnt build her case on anti-porn campaigning any longer!
I wish her luck and determination!

[karasek]

There is a good reason why children don't automatically become EU citizens (i.e. Czechs for example). The EU admitted many refugees in the past, mainly from the Balkans. The plan was to send them back when the war at home was over. But after these refugees stayed here for several years this became difficult. Many of them had jobs and their children grew up here and had no connection to the country of their parents. It's already a drama if the authorities try to send such families back, but it becomes impossible with a EU child.

And please, guys: of course she did it only because of the money! The situation for a single mother in the Ukraine is very difficult, and the temptation to earn money this way is big. There are thousands of women in her situation who have to prostitute themselves to make a living. Do you know how much teachers earn there? It's a joke!
And the interviews where she says she likes her jobs and does it to educate? Please! That's the kind of bollocks every pornstar says to keep the fantasy alive, and probably also to deceive themselves. The story of the more open-minded Eastern European women is pure bullshit. These societies are much more conservative. Nudity is frowned upon (just ask a Russian mother if it's OK if her kid sees naked people... OK, you can ask this Americans too, lol) and family values are much more important than here, so much that quite a few women see themselves as mothers very early (Wiska was also a young mother).

And to be honest, I was always very sceptical about her chances. It's basically a decision if occupational bans violate human rights. We shouldn't be naive. Occupational bans exist in the EU too. If you are a Commie/Nazi for example your chances to work as a civil servant in Germany are almost nonexistent. She "just" needs to quite her job and doesn't have to fear anymore that her children are taken away. OK, there is also the moral argument that pornstars can't be good mothers, but the German authorities also think that Commies are bad biology teachers.

PS: early 30s?

[STEMCELL]

If you are a Commie/Nazi for example your chances to work as a civil servant in Germany are almost nonexistent.

wrong >>> NSU the whole German <<Verfassungsschutz, BND, MAD>> is infiltrated (verseucht) with Nazis und rechtskonversativem menschlichen Müll und Abschaum ---

[dap-addict]

And please, guys: of course she did it only because of the money! The situation for a single mother in the Ukraine is very difficult, and the temptation to earn money this way is big.

Of course she did it for the money, but she wasnt forced to do porn.
Thats an inconsistant bullshit and anti-porn tactic she choose - under pressure and left alone with her extradition problem I guss.
Please go back to her very beginnings in the old forum...enough said.

[karasek]

And please, guys: of course she did it only because of the money! The situation for a single mother in the Ukraine is very difficult, and the temptation to earn money this way is big.

Of course she did it for the money, but she wasnt forced to do porn.
Thats an inconsistant bullshit and anti-porn tactic she choose - under pressure and left alone with her extradition problem I guss.
Please go back to her very beginnings in the old forum...enough said.

Well, economic pressure *forces* people to do many stupid things. A teacher for example earns ~120€/month, what do you think are the option for a single mother with a child? A young mother who probably wants see more than just her home at least once a year, or wants to buy some new clothes. For a woman like Wiska the best option was to exploit her beauty.
And I don't see it as "inconsistant bullshit and anti-porn tactic". I simply don't expect honest answers from a pornstar, like I also don't expect honest information from a company that wants to sell me a product. It's marketing.

wrong >>> NSU the whole German <<Verfassungsschutz, BND, MAD>> is infiltrated (verseucht) with Nazis und rechtskonversativem menschlichen Müll und Abschaum ---

But at least we don't have Communist biology teachers...!

[utopiaa]

You must also consider that the people who write these news want to make good news and what Wiska says, might not be excatly the same as it gets wrote down. Even then i still havent seen anything too bad that Wiska has said. When im reading this thread it makes it seem like Wiska is bashing porn really hard, which i have not seen.

[dap-addict]

And I don't see it as "inconsistant bullshit and anti-porn tactic". I simply don't expect honest answers from a pornstar, like I also don't expect honest information from a company that wants to sell me a product. It's marketing.

Me neither, but this is an asylum law case!
Of course she was tempted to sell her beauty, of course it was easy and of course as you can see it in her films she at times also didnt enjoyed it, BUT in her case with all those interviews out in Ukriane it will be especially difficult to proof she`s telling the truth. In fact it will be impossible, I am afraid.
For me she was guided towards an anti-porn stragegy while she could have better dwelled on her right to earn her money they way SHE wants, but now being prosecuted for that reason - as well as her husband being prosecuted for founding his firm probabely with the wrong political backing in Crimea.

But well...I am no lawyer...and I still really wish her luck!
And I also just hope for Czech states humanity!!!

[dap-addict]

When im reading this thread it makes it seem like Wiska is bashing porn really hard, which i have not seen.

Claiming to have been forced to work in porn is already bashing porn hard enough - especially when you are familiar with her sets released.
Some US ex-porn girls who later claimed all those anti-porn arguments or that they found Jesus at least didnt like it much and its clearly visible at least bts.
Its always the same sad anti-porn story!
Just the fact that we love Wiska should not blind her eyes on the harm she does for an industry and on people who helped her for such a long time.

[sharkhunter]

I think as both fans and human beings with any sense of feeling we are all supportive of Wiska and hope that the Czech authorities see sense, but I am in complete agreement with dap-addict here.

Wiska has been around for a fair while now, and us long-time fans are aware of previous interviews and the fact that she genuinely enjoyed what she was doing. Someone who feels they "have" to do porn will try as hard as possible to stick with solo and g/g stuff, and at a push do some softish b/g. Wiska however leaped straight into the mass gang bangs and real hardcore stuff of the Sineplex variety, and clearly enjoyed taking every stiff cock up all holes and every sticky load on her face. Nobody who feels that they need to make money to feed their kids does double anal, for fuck's sake. They can do well enough on g/g stuff if they are good-looking enough, and we are all agreed that Wiska is top drawer in the looks department.

This just does not compute when seeing her more recent statements, and may well backfire. As I said in earlier post, it would make more sense to posit an argument along the lines of "what I have been doing is completely legal in any civilised western democracy, and as a consenting adult I should be free to suck and fuck any other consenting adult I wish" - and then highlight the fact that Ukraine can count this among the many other human rights violations.

[Wiskus]

How could Europe send back Wiska and her chilfren to her country ? It is dangerous forthem, they cannot ignore it.
This is not human, and not compatible with Europe's political positions.

From Euronews :

Brussels warns Ukraine to improve rule of law
The European Union has criticised Ukraine’s High Court for rejecting ex-premier Yulia Tymoshenko’s appeal against her abuse of power conviction. Tymoshenko will continue to serve her seven year sentence.
The EU Commission also questioned the jailing of the former Ukrainian interior minister Yury Lutsenko. After issuing a joint statement on the ruling with EU High Representative Catherine Ashton, EU Commissioner Stefan Fule told euronews: “We regret that consequences of the current situation would prevent two important leaders of the opposition to stand for parliamentary elections after the trials which did not respect the international standards as regards of fair, transparent and independent legal processes. “Together with Catherine Ashton, the high representative and vice-president, we stress the importance for Ukraine’s authorities to redress the effects of the selective justice, as was the case with Mrs Timoshenko and Mr Lutsenko.”

[Bruno]

Bruno, I think you are wrong. Her last child (boy) was born in Prague a little over a year ago. I do not believe she traveled to Ukraine 8 months pregnant just to have her child.

Yes, her last child was born in Prague, but unfortunately that doesn't mean that this child will be a EU citizen automatically.
The politicians say, that in that case, it would be too easy for refugees to come here, get pregnant, and have a baby.
This baby would then be a warrant to get a status. Sad but true!

[dap-addict]

ubertop posted another recent article about Wiskas asylum case in the main Eurobabe forum.
Wiska there says now her husband proposed her porn work before she was seemingly forced work in porn, but its not clear wheter she performed before.
Looks like she tries to step back from her previous claims a bit.
I hope it helps her!

Btw, does somebody remember her first 2-3 porn scenes?

[ubertop]

The problem is not : did Wiska like porn or not, was she forced to it or not.
The probllem is : she is in danger to have her life and family destroyed just because she performed sex scenes.
I am surprised that all those who pretend to fight against discrimination do not realize that today, in Europe, a sex actress is less than nothing. she does not even get the social rights that other oppressed categories have obtained.

[bug2007]

The problem is not : did Wiska like porn or not, was she forced to it or not.
The probllem is : she is in danger to have her life and family destroyed just because she performed sex scenes.
I am surprised that all those who pretend to fight against discrimination do not realize that today, in Europe, a sex actress is less than nothing. she does not even get the social rights that other oppressed categories have obtained.

I agree. She's risking to lose her children because she did porn, what the hell do you think she should say: yes I like to take two cocks in the ass in front of a camera?

[dap-addict]

The problem still remains she dwelled her asylum case on less the the truth, IMO.
Instead of standing up and fight for her right to be a porn actress she choose the anti-porn tactic.
This all said I cannot image they send her back to Ukraine...they may not grant her asylum status, though.