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Re: Rose

Postby Philanderer81 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:48 pm

I can sympathize with PW's arguments and it's because of them that I stopped supporting piracy and I wish I had a better solution for PW than the following:

technology

The only way you're going to beat the pirates is to come up with some technological solutions that will make it difficult to copy the films except maybe off of their cellphone. At least something that takes a month or so before it is broken so you can protect some of your margins. Surely there must a consensus in the industry on developing this kind of software and with a lot of unemployed programmers (many of them porn fans) maybe you can get something going; maybe you can pay them in pussy instead of in money :::

But the problem of piracy is going to be difficult one to solve and I think the only way to try and make it less painful is through technological solutions.

The other side, which I PW and Rose will consider, is that there are fans and they want to see movies made by PW in which Rose gets fucked six-ways to yesterday. And, although it is debatable, porn is a kind of art and art should be made for its own sake. And like all art, especially the movies, there's some crappy shitty art and then there's good stuff with great actors.

Anyway that's my 50 cents
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Re: Rose

Postby Progue.Rock on Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:26 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:Thank you but unfortunatly each new day make me think I must stop thi sbusiness and go on another part of the globe drinking Coca Cola on the beach and forget all
because each new day is a non-sens after seing my video are copied few hours after being online and given for free to the world.
What will you do if you was me in that situation ?
I just spoke with Rose today, and she told me : " are you sure you want do it this summer, because already lot of people put some links of your video in Zagreb on my Facebook page "
So what can I answer to a girl when she tell me this and officialy my site is blocked in her country ?
Not sure now she want play in Indecent Evil production and not sure I just want to do it !!!

PW



so here's the thing, I am not really in a position to recommend a decision, am I? As much as I like to, I don't have the information and the understanding of the situation that you have. I wouldn't qualify to suggest one way or the other...

nevertheless, you are the master of persuasion. Trying to convince her to do the movie shouldn't be a big problem. On the other hand, having people getting your content for free is a bitch. All it takes is one bad seed... Technology can help but it's not perfect. Pretty much anything (e.g. video, photos, music, articles, reports, stats, etc.) that you can see online can be copied and shared.

we just have to acknowledge that the world is changing and we must adapt to a different business model. With that said, here are some of my random suggestions :)
+ be an OEM
--- sort of like a computer manufacturer but for porn. there are companies who are doing it already but if you can have exclusive girls under you, you have a competitive advantage
+ pay-per-minute before full release
--- have all of your new releases go pay-per-minute for a fixed period before an online or DVD release. This would at least ensure the hardcore fans to chip in before everyone gets their copy. Let's face, there are people out there won't pay regardless of what...
+ prior commitment
--- sort of like the groupon model. you would propose a film and explain the cast and scenes. you would only shoot it if you have an x number of commitments (aka prepayment but only charge it once the content is delivered.), and those committed could get the followings:
------ be the first to have online access to the film
------ special merchandise (e.g. poster, special DVD edition, t-shirt, etc.)
+ go mobile
--- use Netflix business model. charge a monthly subscription fee and let users stream your content on their smart phones
+ go social
--- let users propose what they want to see and let others vote. you would only make the scenes if you have enough interest and commitment (tie back to the prior commitment suggestion)
+ go vertical
--- expand your product line other than hardcore videos. Think merchandise and collectibles, for example. Many guys would love to get special items from their favorites (e.g. autographed items, things used during the shoot, etc.)
+ go horizontal
--- get volunteers (e.g. fans and supporting community) to help you translate all your initiation videos into different languages. Many of them are interesting and it would open new markets. The key is to place the subtitles separately as the videos. That way, they must pay on your site to watch it.

just my 2 cents,

good luck
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Re: Rose

Postby Pierre Woodman on Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:56 am

Thanks for all support but the best solution is to do like Philanderer81 !
Until you responsabilise yourself and understand the best is always to help the system instead to block it, you finaly help yourself !!!
All of us, my competitors and myself, are facing a huge problem now called piracy, and guy like Dejanbear are the biggest problem because
they think we are hollywood production full of billion dollar.
Today the porn industry is in trouble, and will be more and more without the support of the porn fans ! The solution is not technic, or only if
the guys in the shadow controlling the web want to help us but they won't !!!
So in fact the only solution can come from all the persons who want see nice angels like Rose Delight giving their smiles for you and for long time !!!

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Re: Rose

Postby gapegourmand on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:16 pm

for me the company 21 century is on a good way. i am nonstop meber there since jears.
they have everything in the program what i need and that for 10 euro monthly.
every day new clips are online, for what piracy? i have seen them, bevor pirates
have maked a copy.
so i dont watch piracy clips in tubes wich are full with virus links or sites.

i think 21 century has very much members and also earn a lot of money.
and see the customer support. you get help in seconds and that in online-chat-way.
i dont need to have dvd's, i dont need to have the clips on my computer, because
i will be also member in the future.

about woodman his films, piracy and his rose, i say nothing. i dont want be banned from the bord again.

maybe this, when i can see the 21 century clip "presents", with a very hot and very beautiful madison, in a classy
look and in big joy and comitted employment, i forget the unstyled rose with her sleepy face in the film last i saw with her.

rose for me has not the fire inside to be a hot pornstar.
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Re: Rose

Postby STEMCELL on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:25 pm

I´m sure you would change your opinion about Rose, if she was to appear on 21sextury on sites like Assholefever and DPFANATICS.
Though I´m sure this will never going to be happen.

Well, Rose even without a single piece of make-up on her: Even when yet erected from her bed early in the morning: She looks great!
Even with the few kilograms more, she has gained over the years (compared from her very early shots): She looks even better with it.
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Re: Rose

Postby Philanderer81 on Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:49 pm

Progue.Rock wrote:we just have to acknowledge that the world is changing and we must adapt to a different business model. With that said, here are some of my random suggestions :)
+ be an OEM
--- sort of like a computer manufacturer but for porn. there are companies who are doing it already but if you can have exclusive girls under you, you have a competitive advantage
+ pay-per-minute before full release
--- have all of your new releases go pay-per-minute for a fixed period before an online or DVD release. This would at least ensure the hardcore fans to chip in before everyone gets their copy. Let's face, there are people out there won't pay regardless of what...
+ prior commitment
--- sort of like the groupon model. you would propose a film and explain the cast and scenes. you would only shoot it if you have an x number of commitments (aka prepayment but only charge it once the content is delivered.), and those committed could get the followings:
------ be the first to have online access to the film
------ special merchandise (e.g. poster, special DVD edition, t-shirt, etc.)


In terms of realistic probability OEM is definitely the one most likely to succeed (trust me I worked software sales and lost my job once because company decided to go to OEM instead of direct sales) and PPM sounds like a good idea as well.

But I really like your idea for Prior Commitment. I have long felt that porn could take advantage of its fans a bit more; say to the members, for example, "I want to do a scene with Rose Delight getting DP'd by Mr Marcus and Kid Jamaica but it will cost X and involve Y" and ask who wants to chip in. In doing so you can offer them to chose scene set-ups in the future, invite them to the sets and so on. In addition to the monthly fees I think there are people who will pay more to have content created that they want to see; you could call it diversifying the production team so instead of one or two producers sponsoring the movie you'll 30.

Really great idea Progue Rock!
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Re: Rose

Postby Progue.Rock on Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:40 am

Philanderer81 wrote:
Progue.Rock wrote:we just have to acknowledge that the world is changing and we must adapt to a different business model. With that said, here are some of my random suggestions :)
+ be an OEM
--- sort of like a computer manufacturer but for porn. there are companies who are doing it already but if you can have exclusive girls under you, you have a competitive advantage
+ pay-per-minute before full release
--- have all of your new releases go pay-per-minute for a fixed period before an online or DVD release. This would at least ensure the hardcore fans to chip in before everyone gets their copy. Let's face, there are people out there won't pay regardless of what...
+ prior commitment
--- sort of like the groupon model. you would propose a film and explain the cast and scenes. you would only shoot it if you have an x number of commitments (aka prepayment but only charge it once the content is delivered.), and those committed could get the followings:
------ be the first to have online access to the film
------ special merchandise (e.g. poster, special DVD edition, t-shirt, etc.)


In terms of realistic probability OEM is definitely the one most likely to succeed (trust me I worked software sales and lost my job once because company decided to go to OEM instead of direct sales) and PPM sounds like a good idea as well.

But I really like your idea for Prior Commitment. I have long felt that porn could take advantage of its fans a bit more; say to the members, for example, "I want to do a scene with Rose Delight getting DP'd by Mr Marcus and Kid Jamaica but it will cost X and involve Y" and ask who wants to chip in. In doing so you can offer them to chose scene set-ups in the future, invite them to the sets and so on. In addition to the monthly fees I think there are people who will pay more to have content created that they want to see; you could call it diversifying the production team so instead of one or two producers sponsoring the movie you'll 30.

Really great idea Progue Rock!



Thanks. All I can say is that changes in market place can be threatening but also create opportunities. Pointing fingers and blaming others won't do any good; besides, direct selling is so dead a decade ago... Anyway, the business that adapts thrives and the ones don't dive. Here are some examples:
- Thrives
--- Netflix on updating its biz model to stay ahead of the curve
--- Facebook on social
- Catch-ups
--- Google on social & mobile
--- Microsoft on browser
- Dive
--- AOL
--- Blockbuster

Anyway, I am not going to say anymore. After all, this thread is about the lovely Rose :D
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Re: Rose

Postby Pierre Woodman on Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:29 am

Sometime forum makes me laugh a lot !!!
I got the chance to be the first man to stick my dick in the ass of Madisson Parker and Rose Delight ! And trust me it's the day and the night between them as their hair color is because making sex with Rose is amazing and making sex with Madisson is....hum hum better I keep it for me because I like her, so i will said just not the same good !
And if we speak about the body looking and what they have between the ears, the difference is even bigger !!!
Only one point where I could give 50/50, both of them are cute without make up !

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Re: Rose

Postby BravoOtherwise on Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:55 pm

She's a real Queen. Our beautiful "Queen of Diamonds":

http://www.bravoerotica.com/femjoy/beli ... f-diamons/
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Re: Rose

Postby UsainBolt on Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:42 am

eurogirlsongirls.com (lez) with Maya. Please add for both

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Re: Rose

Postby shark1 on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:45 pm

admjg8 wrote:
Pierre Woodman wrote:John Brown his the nice name ! This color feats well with something I see regulary in my toilet because you are one those for sure !!!
You and all people who are happy to see the material who cost us money to produce, given for free on the internet are responsable of this industry degradation.
I wish all porn and Rose Delight fans can understand you're one of the reason why I will maybe never put online the casting X with Rose Delight !!!

PW



With that attitude, you might as well just stop releasing porn altogether. Why? Well, you seem to be in denial of the fact that pirated movies and pirates alike exist in multitude on the www; in fact I can guarantee that each and every single one of your released movies are available for free(albeit illegal) dl somewhere online. Ditto goes for anything you decide to release in the future.

I'm not condoning piracy in any way, shape, or form....but you have to face reality, and reality is that it exists in abundance whether you like it or not.

Your act of threatening to withhold the Rose casting video from all of your loyal paying customers due something they have no control over is selfish, naive, and infantile on your behalf.



+1....Pierre is always threatening to not post certain popular clips for his loyal paying customers based on decisions of others.
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Re: Rose

Postby Pierre Woodman on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:13 pm

OK but what are supposed to do loyal members when they have the temptation to get what I produce with MY money for free or less expensive with people which are just thief ???
There is no more obligations from me than there from them , which means members paid to see what I give them every month not what is not already on the site !
The day I will be sure piracy is dead ( never for sure ) I could put all on the table, but at the moment I really just wish to go in holidays for one or two years and maybe come back !
At the end I know the big loosers will be the people who does not understand the actual situation because I don't need this business to have good life but porn fans needs people
like me to produce what they love to see ...

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Re: Rose

Postby dap-addict on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:42 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:At the end I know the big loosers will be the people who does not understand the actual situation because I don't need this business to have good life but porn fans needs people like me to produce what they love to see ...PW

This hits the nail!
I try to explain it on and on her on EBI, I myself try to spend more money on porn than before the crisis out of solidarity with Eurobabes and producers, but I feel like fighting against windmills as even posters including links to stole material are tolerated here sometimes.
Still, PW, of course as a producer you have to find a balance, you have to keep your customers interested in your goods - despite all difficulties. :arrow: :idea:
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