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[camaban]

Ricardo, Can i see Ann Maria in dpfanatics and gangbang scenes?

Step by step my italian gangbanghorny friend....step by step

It's obvious that you're Pierre's buddy

[Ricardo Soli]

Ricardo, Can i see Ann Maria in dpfanatics and gangbang scenes?

Step by step my italian gangbanghorny friend....step by step

It's obvious that you're Pierre's buddy

Maybe my ideologie is wrong, but being an agent, or manager of a model, i want see her working more than 2 months in this biz. Secondly if she start to build her image with only gangbangs, and bukkakes she will loose all the opportunities to can do some soft erotic works...
Pierre have a good strategy of work, since around 20 years he's on the market, and yes we're good friends, and I must agree his advices were all time useful to me
Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz., and not doing gangbang. Rita Faltoyano, Mandy Bright started the same with us, they were'nt listening to our advices, even if they were started only 7-8 y. ago, what they're doing today? Boroka Balls left from me, taked under contract at Private, listening to Toni Ribas, what she's doing today?
I think the best is when the model is doing what she feel, she would do, or try, without to be pushed from behind. More pleasure she have doing a scene, more pleasure you'll have watching it

[camaban]

Maybe my ideologie is wrong, but being an agent, or manager of a model, i want see her working more than 2 months in this biz. Secondly if she start to build her image with only gangbangs, and bukkakes she will loose all the opportunities to can do some soft erotic works...
Pierre have a good strategy of work, since around 20 years he's on the market, and yes we're good friends, and I must agree his advices were all time useful to me
Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz., and not doing gangbang. Rita Faltoyano, Mandy Bright started the same with us, they were'nt listening to our advices, even if they were started only 7-8 y. ago, what they're doing today? Boroka Balls left from me, taked under contract at Private, listening to Toni Ribas, what she's doing today?
I think the best is when the model is doing what she feel, she would do, or try, without to be pushed from behind. More pleasure she have doing a scene, more pleasure you'll have watching it

Sorry, Ricardo, you misunderstood me, it was just a joke. I think you're absolutely right with your strategy. If the girl consider to stay longer in this business than just a few month, it's good to do harder acts step by step. And to be honest, I don't see the erotic factor in gangbang scenes where you mostly see hairy man ass
By the way the scene from Ann Marie for assholefever is great, she really does a good job. Too bad she doesn't get the money she should. This really can destroy the porn business.

[chris]

Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz., and not doing gangbang. Rita Faltoyano, Mandy Bright started the same with us, they were'nt listening to our advices, even if they were started only 7-8 y. ago, what they're doing today? Boroka Balls left from me, taked under contract at Private, listening to Toni Ribas, what she's doing today?

Simony listening only herself became one of the most active and popular girls in history of euro porn

[Ricardo Soli]

wis

Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz., and not doing gangbang. Rita Faltoyano, Mandy Bright started the same with us, they were'nt listening to our advices, even if they were started only 7-8 y. ago, what they're doing today? Boroka Balls left from me, taked under contract at Private, listening to Toni Ribas, what she's doing today?

Simony listening only herself became one of the most active and popular girls in history of euro porn

Simony became popular, she was active, and she was also listening to some agents. Not to me, you're right. I don't know what exactly she's doing now, and how she find the big proposals coming after being retired...
The same as Boroka who could have sometime really good mainstream and commercial TV. proposals for the amount of 5-6 scenes she did before, but being retired, and disappeared without an official website, everything is lost.
I have an ideea on about why theese ladies are disappearing, when they've had build an image around themselve, but it'snt my problem, it's theyre decision...
Angelina Crow is somehow the same lost story, becoming famous, than working now on chat, without to use her hardcore image on an official website, working for others instead of herself...almst same famous as Simony

[alexxx]

Wow..that's a long history...
There are smart girls who do not care abot any men (actors, agents, producers, fans etc etc) and can stay very long in this business...as long as they need some money for their own projects and then disappear...change phone numbers etc etc (I knew one that just wanted a new car.... )
There are girls who do not understand nothing...start doing porn...follow every request from producers and kind-of-agents and then end in few months their career...often with shame and willing to forget everything...
There are girls who do porn because there's money and do not care at all about other's thinking...so they do whatever in order to get visibility for a rich and tolerant husband, to get a new home, to help their parents and relatives, to support their lazy boyfriend, to make more shopping...then they hear advices but then they stop and change mind...destroying what their first agent did. It sounds like a quite common revolt against their "father".
A good agent help them staying longer in the business...providing gangbangs (when they are rightly paid), softcore shoots and even tv appareances...that's the way a serious agent gets money.
Nevertheless there's no need to wait years for a gangbang if the lady will last few months (what some producer still call "a junk lady") ...but if an agent recognise a smart mind with passion then it is better to wait and tease everybody...
...after all if we get everything soon then libido go down, it is nt???

So...long life to Ann MArie!

[Mnemosyne]

Step by step my italian gangbanghorny friend....step by step

It's obvious that you're Pierre's buddy

Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz., and not doing gangbang. Rita Faltoyano, Mandy Bright started the same with us, they were'nt listening to our advices, even if they were started only 7-8 y. ago, what they're doing today? Boroka Balls left from me, taked under contract at Private, listening to Toni Ribas, what she's doing today?
I think the best is when the model is doing what she feel, she would do, or try, without to be pushed from behind. More pleasure she have doing a scene, more pleasure you'll have watching it

Like for example Angel Dark or any other pornstar who was quickly filled with dicks in every available hole and is still in the business.

I don't know why anybody thinks doing a DP in the first year will hurt your career? Some things were good 10 years ago but TODAY it is just worthless gibbering. Times have changed and the demand for more serious porn is already here and flourishing.
The old fashioned transition from softcore-pink-vibrator-girl-girl-blowjob-hardcore-anal-dp-gangbang is sooooooooooooo yesterday and honesty nobody cares about these models anymore.
Who has the time to wait 3 years to see your favorite model take it in the ass? Nobody. With all the available models you just switch to someone else. A simple law of demand and supply.

[Ricardo Soli]

Like for example Angel Dark or any other pornstar who was quickly filled with dicks in every available hole and is still in the business.

I don't know why anybody thinks doing a DP in the first year will hurt your career? Some things were good 10 years ago but TODAY it is just worthless gibbering. Times have changed and the demand for more serious porn is already here and flourishing.
The old fashioned transition from softcore-pink-vibrator-girl-girl-blowjob-hardcore-anal-dp-gangbang is sooooooooooooo yesterday and honesty nobody cares about these models anymore.
Who has the time to wait 3 years to see your favorite model take it in the ass? Nobody. With all the available models you just switch to someone else. A simple law of demand and supply.

This is your opinion. And your sample is wrong. Angel Dark was doing anal and dp. in exclusivity for Woodman whom was releasing her hardest stuffs only when she started to do it for everybody else...after 2-3 years being in the biz. Here is a private picture shooted in 2003. And just to let you known, I was the 1. who made her doing bg. after woodman at DDF production, this is why I've written on my website he was incorrect with me ( DDF). Cuz he was crazy on about shooting Viktorya, I convinced her, I introduced her, she was living in my appartment, and he forgot to pay me on around 3500 Euros ag.fees telling me she's a slovakian model why he should pay for it in Budapest...only after he did the 1 week shooting with her,

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[just_me]

I'm very, very sorry guys

Pierre have a good strategy of work, since around 20 years he's on the market, and yes we're good friends, and I must agree his advices were all time useful to me
...
I think the best is when the model is doing what she feel, she would do, or try, without to be pushed from behind. More pleasure she have doing a scene, more pleasure you'll have watching it
...
Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz.

but I can't let this slide without questioning...

Let's take Jo for example, who was urinated on by Woodman very early on in her career. Was that what she was comfortable with, she was not pushed into doing something she did not want to do?

Your own words on the work from Woodman:

Otherhand is disgusting. I start to understand, why I have alot of enemies around. After years i found models i had introduce to him, and i find them in this situation, when they've forgotted all this "making money stories" having childrens coming home sad from the school....I found throught this website girls they've did extreme things, keeping in secret from me, cuz somebody was explaining to them, this is the best way for them...
I would love to see, let's say Sophie Paris being pissed by 1 beduin in the Sahara, in this past 7 years. Only, cuz i know verry well, both.( and ...i try to RESPECT both of them, even if i'm the only one will smoke my cigarette at they're table! ) Pierre&Sophie too, i know it's not a big deal to them to do this things in they're private life . But between using, and abusing the situation, i think is a big difference. Why i have to recognise here some of my closest models, and friends, doing hided things in front of me, and later becoming as enemies of mine without explanation. Now i have the answer.

I don't know what things are like on the agent side of the business, I do know that on the porn production side it was Viv Thomas who kept Jo in the business, allowing her to perform in scenes she was comfortable with, and VT is currently working on setting up an official site for Jo coming out soon.

What was Lewis Thomas' comment on Woodman urinating on jo?

we don't really want any links for any "piss and love" clips (WTF!) with girls being pissed on like animals.

I'm fully aware there is a market for people who like to watch girls humiliated and degraded by men, but (fortunately) it is not here that those people come for that kind of thing.

Another one of your opinions on these subject matters:

And also, about my past with that big lesboproducer. Just ask Cayenne wich is the only one girl he couldn't never turn on to me. What you would say if somebody is trying on every possible moment to destroy your relations, even with your girlfriend or wife? He did it with Jo(Monica Sweet) when she was my girlfriend-it worked. He tried with Ella (Barbarella) when she was my girlfriend- without success, he loosed a good model.

It really does beg the question, who is looking out for the best interests of who? Who is pushing who from behind? Who is pushing the girls to do things they are uncomfortable with? Who is allowing the girls to do what they wish? Who is taking into consideration the health of her personal / private life? Most girls have 2 years in porn, some 5, a rare few make 10 years. Then after this is over, they have 50 more years of life to figure out how to live through. What is more important? A few dollars from being urinated on for the world to see? A short private relationship with an agent that we all know is destined for failure?

There is a perception gap somewhere in here and I haven't quite figured this all out yet

[ogpaps]

No one gives a fuck, it's all about pimps not agents.
Very sad.
In the interest of girls...yeah right.
They either listen to some nonsense or not listen to anyone.
Then u wonder why every girl in Europe end up as a washed up porn girl.
No futur at all.
Then they cry and u never hear about hem anymore.
And u have infos it's just plain sad.
Most active girls on Private website, they r all gone!
Good point Just me.

[Ricardo Soli]

I'm very, very sorry guys

Pierre have a good strategy of work, since around 20 years he's on the market, and yes we're good friends, and I must agree his advices were all time useful to me
...
I think the best is when the model is doing what she feel, she would do, or try, without to be pushed from behind. More pleasure she have doing a scene, more pleasure you'll have watching it
...
Eve Angel, Jo were started with us 10 y. ago, and they're still in the biz.

but I can't let this slide without questioning...

Let's take Jo for example, who was urinated on by Woodman very early on in her career. Was that what she was comfortable with, she was not pushed into doing something she did not want to do?

Your own words on the work from Woodman:

Otherhand is disgusting. I start to understand, why I have alot of enemies around. After years i found models i had introduce to him, and i find them in this situation, when they've forgotted all this "making money stories" having childrens coming home sad from the school....I found throught this website girls they've did extreme things, keeping in secret from me, cuz somebody was explaining to them, this is the best way for them...
I would love to see, let's say Sophie Paris being pissed by 1 beduin in the Sahara, in this past 7 years. Only, cuz i know verry well, both.( and ...i try to RESPECT both of them, even if i'm the only one will smoke my cigarette at they're table! ) Pierre&Sophie too, i know it's not a big deal to them to do this things in they're private life . But between using, and abusing the situation, i think is a big difference. Why i have to recognise here some of my closest models, and friends, doing hided things in front of me, and later becoming as enemies of mine without explanation. Now i have the answer.

Yes, it's true everything what I've been written there. Even if that time Monica Sweet aka Jo was my girlfriend she probably was curious to try out to be pissed in her mouth. Knowing my opinion about this, she tried it with Pierre, and they've keeped it in secret...

I don't know what things are like on the agent side of the business, I do know that on the porn production side it was Viv Thomas who kept Jo in the business, allowing her to perform in scenes she was comfortable with, and VT is currently working on setting up an official site for Jo coming out soon.

Yes. Viv Thomas was steeling a pro performer, and don't make me share with you why Jo stopped to work with boys, and become to her more comfortable to become a fake lesbostar.... I don't want to blackmail her upcoming success, even if I can't forgot few very pathetic tricks of Mr. Vivian Lee.

What was Lewis Thomas' comment on Woodman urinating on jo?

we don't really want any links for any "piss and love" clips (WTF!) with girls being pissed on like animals.

I'm fully aware there is a market for people who like to watch girls humiliated and degraded by men, but (fortunately) it is not here that those people come for that kind of thing.

Another one of your opinions on these subject matters:

And also, about my past with that big lesboproducer. Just ask Cayenne wich is the only one girl he couldn't never turn on to me. What you would say if somebody is trying on every possible moment to destroy your relations, even with your girlfriend or wife? He did it with Jo(Monica Sweet) when she was my girlfriend-it worked. He tried with Ella (Barbarella) when she was my girlfriend- without success, he loosed a good model.

It really does beg the question, who is looking out for the best interests of who? Who is pushing who from behind? Who is pushing the girls to do things they are uncomfortable with? Who is allowing the girls to do what they wish? Who is taking into consideration the health of her personal / private life? Most girls have 2 years in porn, some 5, a rare few make 10 years. Then after this is over, they have 50 more years of life to figure out how to live through. What is more important? A few dollars from being urinated on for the world to see? A short private relationship with an agent that we all know is destined for failure?

There is a perception gap somewhere in here and I haven't quite figured this all out yet
I'm sure you'll figure out soon or later, doing some more researches on forums. I just feel, it's comfortable to Jo, and indispensable to Viv to can keep his fake lesbodreamworld alive few more months or years... He will never do castings, initiating fresh new girls for the future.He's probably is working on to convince Dido Angel to stop doing boy-girl with the ugly Woody, and to become a lesbo-machine.

Anyway let's get back to Ann Marie La Sante

[Mnemosyne]

Like for example Angel Dark or any other pornstar who was quickly filled with dicks in every available hole and is still in the business.

I don't know why anybody thinks doing a DP in the first year will hurt your career? Some things were good 10 years ago but TODAY it is just worthless gibbering. Times have changed and the demand for more serious porn is already here and flourishing.
The old fashioned transition from softcore-pink-vibrator-girl-girl-blowjob-hardcore-anal-dp-gangbang is sooooooooooooo yesterday and honesty nobody cares about these models anymore.
Who has the time to wait 3 years to see your favorite model take it in the ass? Nobody. With all the available models you just switch to someone else. A simple law of demand and supply.

This is your opinion. And your sample is wrong. Angel Dark was doing anal and dp. in exclusivity for Woodman whom was releasing her hardest stuffs only when she started to do it for everybody else...after 2-3 years being in the biz. Here is a private picture shooted in 2003. And just to let you known, I was the 1. who made her doing bg. after woodman at DDF production, this is why I've written on my website he was incorrect with me ( DDF). Cuz he was crazy on about shooting Viktorya, I convinced her, I introduced her, she was living in my appartment, and he forgot to pay me on around 3500 Euros ag.fees telling me she's a slovakian model why he should pay for it in Budapest...only after he did the 1 week shooting with her,

It's not my opinion, it's the way it works TODAY. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is willing to "wait" for a model to loosen up and shoot hardcore. There is so much on the market that the consumers promptly forget about some unknown model with a great ass who doesn't do hardcore.

[Mnemosyne]

It really does beg the question, who is looking out for the best interests of who? Who is pushing who from behind? Who is pushing the girls to do things they are uncomfortable with? Who is allowing the girls to do what they wish? Who is taking into consideration the health of her personal / private life? Most girls have 2 years in porn, some 5, a rare few make 10 years. Then after this is over, they have 50 more years of life to figure out how to live through. What is more important? A few dollars from being urinated on for the world to see? A short private relationship with an agent that we all know is destined for failure?

There is a perception gap somewhere in here and I haven't quite figured this all out yet

Spot on. Totally.

Somebody here is trying to sell us the same crap they sell to undereducated teenage models about "guiding" their career. It doesn't work in the real world.

[Ricardo Soli]

Oh my God ! I just see some light now, 1. time in my life. Please tell me how it's working in the real world ? I hope it'snt like in realitykings.com....

[rashidnz]

Hello
um maybe a new thread can be started split off from this and title it
Confesions of a Porn Producer
or maybe Porn and Models the treatment and oportunities with Questions and answeres form those people in the industry
aka Pierre Woodman,Bunny, Ricardo,Christoph Clarke,Julianna


I thought this was Anna's thread
and while I find the recent posts interesting and far more relevant than the often seen I want to this girls ass Gaped
or the Fanboy OMG she is so beautiful(which admittedly I have posted a couple of times)

Thanks