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Re: Black Angelica

Postby dap-addict on Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:50 am

camaban wrote:A really good pussy only fuck with chemistry between male and female performer is much hotter for me than to see a girl taking two dicks in her ass but you see on her face what's on her mind: When is this shit over and when can I go with my money? What's hot if the female performer is not into the scene (like in so many Russian produced scenes)? Or maybe the male performer too (like these overacted two Russian robots who seriously should have a one year vacation from porn).

Agreed!
Just that I wouldnt watch pussy only, but rather the girls solo tease part. :wink:
As for Russian scenes and talent, you have very hot girls and you have those really not into it - the same way as you had it in the early 90ties when they started to shoot cheaply in Budapest and Prague. A minimum professionalisation and porn biz culture has first to grow in Piter. This takes time - we know it from Budapest and Prague.


for just_me: Dont over-generalize, please! If a girl agrees on a fee and an act for Pierre Woodman beforehand, than its professional to stick with it. If he does something which was not agreed before, she should fight back or ask for more. But Pierre is too professional to change a set up and agreed thing after the camera rolls, I would think. Anyway, in this case we should listen Black Angelicas story first. :arrow: :idea:
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby fallon on Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:29 am

Erm Boys....this is the Black Angelica Thread..... :roll:
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby Ricardo Soli on Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:39 am

tell us how she's doing? what are the news about her? I've heard she've got engaged :roll: This mean she will have a new tattoo?
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby dap-addict on Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:37 pm

:lol:
fallon is right: what`s written on the new tattoo? Where did she fit it?
Btw, I generally do like girls tattoeing their buddies above their crotch, I did like that with Black Angelica, too. :)
I dont like boobjobs, but I do like most tattoos.
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby fallon on Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:56 pm

Ricardo Soli wrote:
fallon wrote:Erm Boys....this is the Black Angelica Thread..... :roll:

tell us how she's doing? what are the news about her? I've heard she've got engaged :roll: This mean she will have a new tattoo?


If you don't know anything new about her and just want to dizz her, then use other Threads or shut the Fuck up, okay?
I know you have A Problem with that, because you did the Same with Juliette Shyn.
This Thread is dedicated to News of Black Angelica. And if there are no News, this doesn't mean that you have the Right to spam on here...
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby Ricardo Soli on Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:36 pm

I know about her, more than you could imagine, don't worry. Be happy ! ::: :D :lol:
News? She just arrived "home" back to Budapest yesterday at 08.02pm. from somewhere, and she like to be at home. This are the most recent news about her. Something like a week ago she've got engaged to Juliette Shyn, in Bucharest they've had a big engagement party. All this private things she've been shared with exactly 756 friends on a comunity site, between them myself too.
I'm glad you know what kind of problems I have & with who, but let me ask you: You've been consulted someone about your problems? I feel you have some blood pressure problem right now :roll: Take it easy, my man, the life is short. Try to enjoy it :-:
If you want to continue this conversation with me, pls do it in private message, not here on the thread of your princess :::
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby fallon on Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:49 pm

looks like rather you are the one who has some problems. you're trying to "destroy" everyone who doesn't live like you want him or her to do, like recently with juliette. pretty poor performance, you seriously got some issues, boy. but i'm okay with that, it's not my problem....
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby Ricardo Soli on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:18 am

Easy for you, being outsider to criticise me as insider of this adult biz. And you do it, don't stop! I don't think is good, if we let our princesses to can feel they're loved by everybody, and they don't need to have a moral if they become pornstars. Probably for you it's enough if she fucks good in a pornscene, just to can have the chance to meet her in person. If I'm sharing with you my personal experience (even if it's bad), I'm doing it, to wake you up. Don't dream, or go watch the movie "Simone" with Al Pacino. There is your future. Me I'm talking with them when they're just make they're first steps in this adult biz., I try to educate them to don't loose they're morals, to don't create for themselves an image of a prostitute, to remain as longest possible naturals, with a real smile on they're face, and shining expressions in they're eyes. I know a bunch of girls they were verry happy doing porn 2-3 years, someone of them maybe more than 10 years, without to use they're image into the dark side of the business. Sad, but most of them are loosing the control, exactly cuz of "fake support"-too much "You're so beutiful with your new boobs, with your new lips, your new hair extension", etc. You're a consumer, and you don't care how much work some people are putting into the product you by. Important for you is to be cheap. But don't forgot, if everybody will think like you about, at the end you'll be ok with that doll from the sexshop I've been talking before. But an awarded pornstar's image is an example for the next generation. If it would be by my way, I would call back all the starlets I see posing in an escort website to give back they're award, and put them in all the front pages of the magazines. A star have to remain untouchable, not to become a cheap whore. I'm talking in general, not about Angelica....
You wrote, I'm trying to destroy everyone who doesn't live like you want him or her to do, like recently with juliette.
No. Believe me, I'm trying to save them. I'm only destroying some fake images, cuz they don't fit with my way of thinking. Until I was good at the beginning to help on to create some nice images, and I failed, or they were loosing they're control in to it, I'm just trying to keep the things on theyre good way.
Me too I have the same past as them, they're threated as whores if they loose the control, me as a pimp. They put me in a bad situation loosing they're morals,becoming whores. If I would accept this, will mean I agree, so I will be a pimp. Until you'll see me sharing my opinions here, you'll have fresh new dreamgirls in your life, and try to know them in person. The new generation will have to interact with theyre fans, you'll have the possibility to keep for yourself those they'll deserve your support. Let those, which were choosing the way of escorting to disappear from our biz., making place for others in your heart. Cuz 1 of the reasons why they decide to become whores is exactly the opposite of why they were becoming pornstars. To be special, and exposed. So why they want to have everything in the same time? To be a "Virgin talent" a celebrity, but by the other hand to be a discreet escort girl, hidden from our sight. :idea:
Sorry for this long argumentation in Agelica's thread, but maybe makes you think a bit...
If you want others opinion on about what I'm talking, check this out:

http://forum.woodmancastingx.com/with-p ... t2264.html
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby just_me on Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:06 pm

Ricardo -

I really like your vision for what porn should be, I don't like looking at any of them as prostitutes (er, sorry, "escorts").

But here is where I take issue - and it's no secret around here that I hate Woodman, hate everything about him. Over on his forum he takes some of the nicest girls in porn and describes them as just that, prostitutes, cheap whores, yet another notch on his bedpost. He will insult other girls on a personal level, those who refused to let him fuck her in the ass (Sandra Sanchez & Sophie Moone two quick examples) or were not happy about the "experience" afterwards. He insults any porn that is less than a dick in the ass, Mickey Mouse stuff as he calls it.

When you really take a look at what Woodman writes in his forum, he has little to no respect for the girls. Sure absolutely he claims he does, but when really pressed about it, it's crystal clear. The only two things that matter to him are (1) he got the shot of a dick up her ass, and (2) fans praise him for getting the shot of a dick up her ass. And if any fan shows any level of concern or care for a girl's well-being, this concept absolutely dumbfounds him. He becomes speechless. I don't think he has the capacity to understand porn fans who want to see the girls treated well, have a good life. All that counts to him is the shot of a dick up her ass.


Then you want to tell us somehow this is our fault? :roll: I do appreciate your efforts to bettering porn, but I really think you're going after the wrong target.


Or maybe I'm just an old-school idiot for thinking that what happens off camera should remain private. It's none of my business to know what these girls do in their own privacy. However, I do believe that how a girl lives her life off camera has a dramatic impact on her on-screen presence. I've never watched a scene of Black Angelica's, and probably never will. I'll contrast with another girl Yasmine Gold who I think you brought in to porn? Very cute, very hot, really like her work, but want to say the moment I stopped watching her works was when I saw a photo of a guy pissing on her face, everytime I saw her after that, I'd always see that image of piss on her. Yeah this actually comes back to Woodman again, and I am glad his own piss site has now failed.

I just have to believe that if pornographers treat girls like whores, market girls like whores, talk about girls as if they're whores, well, some of them are going to turn in to whores. And if you wish this to change, going after the girls or the fans I don't think will ever be effective.
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby just_me on Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:17 pm

No, seriously, even you yourself on this forum described Woodman's work as disgusting, made the suggestion that he is a major factor in girls' attitudes changing over the years. You accused him of using and abusing the girls. Lewis Thomas over in his forum describes Woodman's work as humiliating and degrading, saying the girls are treated like animals by him. Over in Josette Most's thread here at EBI there is an interesting story about Woodman's "gentleness". None of these are my descriptions, they are of other insiders of your adult biz.

Remind me again who was the guy who sent hundreds if not thousands of girls to Woodman for initiation? What am I saying? Take some responsibility for your role in the adult business, and then maybe we will take responsibility for enjoying the plastic dolls.
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby alpha68 on Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:41 pm

What was the story with Sophie Moone?
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby Ricardo Soli on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:09 pm

Where i should start?
Insulting the girls.
In the scene, believe most of them they like it. Let's say in the sex. They like to be threated as bitches. Probably this could be one reason, after other reasons like easy money, to become known etc. could motivate a young girl to jump into porn. Talking to my models they've got opened in front of me, and they've been told me things they never told even to they're best friends, or parents.Some of them they had lovers when they begun the biz. Most of them wanted to be loved at home, and to be fucked in the pornmovie. So this girls they had already 2 faces :!: I had a lovely model, i will not tell you here her name, cuz she's married with the brother of a well known director, who was calling me every week 2 times minimum, and coming at me to fuck her. Her husband from that time was bringing her on my place cuz she had to talk to his manager, and waiting for her on the street, until i fucked her. Almost 2 years. When i had a girlfriend and i told her it's not nice what we're doing, she told me, if i stop to fuck her, she will go to my competitors. But she was a succesful pornstar. Pierre was know all the story between us, and being my friend he promised me he will never do this kind of disgusting things, like peing on theyre mouth. Later i found out he did it. I was verry angry, and I was asking my model, why she accepted ? She told me, she wanted to try, and it was here who was asking for it. But she didn't wanted me to know about, cuz she was know for me will be too much.
If we continue to talk about Woodman, I don't think he's treathing on a bad way the models. Until others are taking care about them only until the end of the day, he's helping them every time they need, all theyre life. Ok, not all of them. But those are respecting him, for sure. Me I'm doing the same. I'm a verry good friend of Dora Venter, even if she just started the biz with me (12-13 y.ago), and she left me after 1 y. going to my competitors. But she never had a bad word about me, never lied, and invented tales about me, only to be likeable for my competitors how 95% of the girls are doing. If you're agent and you ask the model who's coming to you, cuz she need to be in every agency, to can work every day, with who else she's working more? She will tell you the name of the other agents, and immediately will start to blame the others to make you feel better than your competitors. Just listen to them when they're from different agents, meeting in a production, how they talk about theyre agents....But somehow is normal. Until the producers, are doing the same. They need the agent only to put them in touch with the model, to assure them the model will be in time on stage, and to assure the model than the production will make a great work with the model, she can feel safe to go. The producer is making the deal at the casting with the model in front of the agent, trying to push down as much possible the models fee for that production, but at the end he's paying the model, giving her extra money with the condition to don't tell this to her agent....and why she would tell? I don't understand why they have to pay anything to theyre agents? The agent has to be someone who's working, making contacts, and using his contacts for free to help others to become rich and happy.
Around2001 I had 3 girls in contract with a well known executif director for Private. The girls were earning by contract 2000 Euros every month being in exclusif contract even if they were doing nothing in a month. Plus theyre strar fees in case of working.They were like my family, we were almost everyday together.I've got 10% agent fee, only from the director. After 8 months the director started to forgot to pay. I've started to ask him about his debts to the girls, and after 2 months to talk to my lawyer. To find out than the girls got payed every month with 500 Euros in plus and getting gifts from this director who was using them sometime as escort companions too. So it was normal the girls they didn't told me nothing about those extra payments...
I could tell you hundred more stories like this, but i don't want to use this thread for my sad stories about models, to convince you only few of them are so nice how they're looking on your screen.
Believe me I never talk bad about a girl without reason.I couldn't work as agent around of me with 30-40 models all the time more than 10 years, if i couldn't love enough the women, and without to have respect for them. And Pierre too. I don't know what is your job, I'm sure you're not model agent. If you're a school teacher, on that case eventually you'll understand my arguments,. Eventually. :roll:
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby Ricardo Soli on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:36 pm

alpha68 wrote:What was the story with Sophie Moone?


just_me wrote:Over on his forum he takes some of the nicest girls in porn and describes them as just that, prostitutes, cheap whores, yet another notch on his bedpost. He will insult other girls on a personal level, those who refused to let him fuck her in the ass (Sandra Sanchez & Sophie Moone two quick examples)


I've checked the Woodman forum, but I don't find anything bad about Sophie Moon. Only his opinion : " Never did any casting with her, but in true you'll be a bit disapointed, she's very different than in photo. She has a very big head and it's seems a bit strange on her body and she's fantastic eyes but she not the same pretty as I imagine before to see." :roll:
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby Ricardo Soli on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:55 pm

Who is Lewis Thomas ??? I know only the guy Lewis running the work of Viv Thomas. Could be him? And just_me : You are really living in Chicago? Why I have the impression You are living in Thailand?
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Re: Black Angelica

Postby alpha68 on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:15 pm

@Ricardo Soli

Thanks for researching, I've seen many movies and photo sets with Sophie and never noticed a big head, to me prettiest girl ever with good performance. Only 10 b/g scenes but that's fine since there are enough other girls to watch.
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