Wiska

[Bruno]

Bla bla bla

OK, so it seems to me that you want to go all the way, because you keep coming up with more and more stupid myths about women, that are exactly the opposite of what men should do to be appreciated by women.

1) "women dont know what they really want, what they talk you cant take serious"

Same old story from the bad guys, who will always say that "if women say no, what they really mean is yes". Yeah right. A very bad excuse to rape them, because in fact what this means is that if she says yes, she means yes, and if she says no, it's also yes. So the conclusion is that the bastard is gonna fuck her no matter what she says! Disgusting. I talk a lot with women and every time it's about how they have lost faith in men, how they always force them to things that they don't want, how they don't respect them, how they don't care about her feelings because they want to fuck her on the first night and then leave and never call back, and actually the conclusion is that the nice guys always have to clean up the mess that the bad ones have left behind by taking advantage of her. Your talking only shows, that you think the women are stupid because they don't know what they want, and also that the nice guys are stupid because they are much too nice and understanding. How egocentric can you be??? Fuck the girls wherever you can and leave the emotional wrecks for the nice guys, and on top of that, you feel proud of it? These are the rules in the world of animal, not of humans.

2) "i respect women a lot, of course i hurt a lot of them in the past, but women can stand this."

How do you know they can stand this, if you leave them alone after a quick fuck?
And even if you talk to them afterwards and they say they didn't like it, you can go back to your rule number one, namely that if they say no they mean yes.
So your own reasoning creates a situation that any girl always likes the things you do to her, whatever she says. After all, why should you take her seriously if she is saying the opposite of what she wants or needs?
And this also explains what you said earlier, namely that all the girls always complain afterwards. Of course they do! You are abusing them!

3) "trust me an educated women with class is easier to seduce than any bitch who get fucked by every asshole."

Yeah right! Have you ever had maths in school? I mean things like 1 + 1 = 2? Women with class who play hard-to-get are of course more difficult to seduce then women who get fucked a lot by all different guys, this is only logical.
If you really think the opposite, it's clear that you never dated a girl with class, or you would have known this.
And again, this can be explained because the classy girls immediately recognize your player behaviour and get out of the way, good for them!

4) "you dont need to be happy with it but should tolerate it or keep on living in your narrow world of bad men and poor girls as victims."

Not only the girls are the victims, but everybody with a sense of conscience and respect for other people are the victims, because the society has to deal with these girls. Her next boyfriend will have problems because she maybe doesn't trusts boys and their true intentions any more, her family has to deal with her after this abuse, and in fact all the people with good intentions suffer from pimps and players whose hobby it is apparently to destroy a girl's life to satisfy their own needs.

uh oh seems i hit something.

Yes, and if you were standing in front of me now I would hit you back really hard for all the hearts you broke!
(Of course any heart can be broken, but the point is that you KNOW before even touching her, that you will break it afterwards and the nice guys can clean up the mess.)

[Bruno]

Back to topic please, before I start deleting off-topic posts.

Oops. OK, I will back up my text and ejaculate this discussion to a different topic if you can tell me what the appropriate section is for these kind of discussions.
Or else move our posts to the correct place.

[Am0rIn0]

i didnt want to write here anymore so i will keep it very short. hehe you are a real women advocat... guys like you do everything for women and worship them but dont get laid, guess why?! face the reality: your narrow views are one reason why you only masturbate instead of fucking girls. of course it is easier to live with such excuses like you just aim for the hard to get women and the true love. but face it neither the easy to get ones nor the hard to get ones will let you between their legs, because you are not even a nice guy you are also an women advocat, who hates the evil men who fuck the girls and devides women into 2 categories the cheap ones who like to fuck and the holy ones who are in your opinion pure.

btw it is not cheating or hurting a girl if you never promised her something like a relationship or told her that you love her before. this is the core and huge difference, because you should never say smth like this to a women if i dont mean it that way! lies are what women hurt afterwards!

maybe a mode should create a new topic and move posts overthere: female psychology or what women really want

[Bruno]

Stop laughing and eat my apple: http://www.eurobabeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=20999

[dap-addict]

:arrow:
Exactly!
Maybe we start with this Wisa statements in Summer 2007, Bruno?
http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/ukrainck ... -foto.html

BacK on topic:
Can somebody please point me to hard facts about Wiska stateing how bad her porn job is and how much she wants to quite it and feels hurt, exploited etc in that interview/article? It would make her todays claims ring more true and help her asylum case. And despite it all I still hope she wins it!

[Bruno]

:arrow:
Exactly!
Maybe we start with this Wisa statements in Summer 2007, Bruno?
http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/ukrainck ... -foto.html

OK, since you keep on asking for me to reply on this article, I want to ask you:
Do you really believe, that what is written in Segodnya is more reliable than what Wiska tells us herself?

What people write about this newspaper is written on Wikipedia here:

"While run from Kiev, this newspaper is linked to Donbas political and business groups, supporting former Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych for the presidency in 2004. ... In 2011, the paper's journalists threatened to go on strike after Chief Editor Ihor Guzhva was controversially fired, and his replacement censored certain types of stories, and dictated to journalists how certain politicians and public figures should be covered."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segodnya

In other words, they have a history of censorship and manipulation, favouring the conservative forces in the country.

Also, there are some things in that article that are very unlikely that Wiska said them to a journalists.

- For example, which mother would talk about the erection of her son to a journalist?
- Secondly, they say in the article that not even the fear of HIV and death can stop her from working in porn. So they are underlining how dangerous and irresponsible her life style is.
- Thirdly, they are talking about the male actors, and how they groom their bodies and look like "dolls", even how they go to pedicure like a girl.

So clearly they want to create an image for the readers of this newspaper about the porn industry, and more specifically about her.

[dap-addict]

Bruno, for weeks we know Wiskas version of things cancerning her asylum case only via press articles.
Of course Segodnia and that article in special are biased, of course its not a word-by-word interview, but so are those latest German articles which aresure closer to your heart because they portray Wiska as a victim of bad men, i.e. men involved in porn production.
Still both articles you can strip of their ideaology and see what Wiska could have told those journalists. And in that Segodnia 2007 article, even it would have been convenient for their ideology, she isnt cyted by saying how bad working in porn was.

to Gerald: I do understand Wiska, I do understand she just tries everything to avoid deportation. Still, I maintain she doest sound convincing to those fans of her who really have watched more than a dotzen of her scenes. And although after some time in Piter she complained about one certain studio, she never complained about her job as such. On the contrary we have press articles from her peak time of 2007/8 as well as TV interviews where she says she likes it.

This all said, I really wish her to win her case!
Let her first win an asylum place in Czech, than later on she could excuse for allwing herself to be dragged into an anti-porn campaign.

[Bruno]

those latest German articles which aresure closer to your heart because they portray Wiska as a victim of bad men, i.e. men involved in porn production.
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than later on she could excuse for allwing herself to be dragged into an anti-porn campaign.

I never said that she is a "victim of bad men", where did you get that bullshit from? The point is that you say she is not telling the truth, which can be understood because you said also that women can not be trusted for their words in general and they don't know what they want so you can not take them seriously. So the person who thinks women are weak and unable to express themselves in a sincere way is YOU, not me.

And now you are even suggesting that Wiska should excuse herself for her "anti-porn campaign"??? Ridiculous!
There is only one person who should make excuses, and that's you towards Wiska, for calling her a liar and demanding excuses to a woman who has already enough problems to deal with in her situation.
Of course you can have your opinion like you want, but please respect her, and don't make her situation worse than it already is by spreading these false accusations!
The last thing she needs right now is a bad guy who is spreading lies and shows disrespect for a woman's words.

[dap-addict]

The point is that you say she is not telling the truth, which can be understood because you said also that women can not be trusted for their words in general and they don't know what they want so you can not take them seriously.

You are mixing me up with somebody else, Bruno!
I always claimed the oppositite, I trust Wiskas words about porn in 2007, 2008 etc. But I resent the anti-porn path she took defending her asylum case.
You want women doing porn as victims of bad guys, bad agents, bad producers. Maybe it makes you feel better to watch their scenes when convinced they were all forced to do that, they are all victims. Its your personal choice, not mine. All I want from Wiska is sincerety.
But I stress again, I understand her, she took the path she thought best to save her children and herself!

I didnt ask her to excuse now! Only later after her victory, I hope she explains it all instead of becomeing one of those new-born anti-porn icons.

[dap-addict]

May I also re-post this post again for you Bruno you completely forgot in this discussion because it didnt fit your idea about Wiska = porn industry victim = bad men victim:

While I sympathise entirely with Wiska's plight - it's her body and she has the right to fuck anyone she pleases without someone telling her otherwise - I will reiterate the point I made earlier in this discussion that i don't buy the "the industry made me do it" line. There are multitudes of glamour babes who never go beyond opening their pink, yet the best of them who look good in front of a camera manage to get by.

Some of the the best and most successful models out there have never gone beyond lesbian stuff. Compared to Western Europe, what a girl can get for an ordinary softcore shoot will be way beyond what the average person will earn, so the "earning enough to out food on the kids' table" is argument that - for at least - doesn't run true.

She could have got by just doing straight glamour. She would have had a little more cash to spend by doing lesbian. Hell, she would have been earning more in a day than her countrypeople could earn in a month by doing straight oral and vaginal. But nearly every other vid I have seen of her is taking multiple cocks and have her arse opened up. She quite clearly enjoyed anal, and hard anal at that.

As other posters have argued, in this business those who don't want to do these things just won't - they'll never be right in front of the camera, and they'll just never get booked again. Wiska on the other hand fucked like a demon, more often than lot with a beaming smile on her face as she took two thick black rods up her shitter or took multiple thick white loads on her face. This is actually why she's one of my favorite models and why I enjoyed most of her scenes: she looked as if she was thoroughly enjoying it. My conclusion is that either she is lying about her "horrid" experiences, or is such a good actress that she can make something that she is not enjoying look like a lot of fun.

[Bruno]

You want women doing porn as victims of bad guys, bad agents, bad producers. Maybe it makes you feel better to watch their scenes when convinced they were all forced to do that, they are all victims. Its your personal choice, not mine.

Don't be so ridiculous, because I never said anything about "women doing porn are victims" or about "bad agents" or "bad producers".
Find a quote from me where I said something like that if you really believe that.
Also, I never said that she was forced to do porn, because she always said that it was her own choice.

[Bruno]

You are mixing me up with somebody else, Bruno!

Ah yes, I see it now. It was Amorino who said that. I'm sorry!
But still, it's weird that you don't believe Wiska's words because an Ukrainian newspaper writes something different.

[UsainBolt]

Anastasia @ czechcasting.com (b/g)

http://www.czechcasting.com/tour/previe ... asia-4390/

[ubertop]

Why do you not believe her, when Wiska says, in the film, that she needs money ?
In her unsafe situation with her beloved children, due to Europe's selfish blindness, it sounds terrible.

[dap-addict]

I believe her that she needed money than.
But as sharkhunter pointed out there are a lot of possibilities to earn it with a body like Wiskas.
Thanks god she had choosen hardcore porn, but it was not the only choice. And to pretend today that she didnt enjoy it is just unfair for all the people inside and her fans supporting her at this line of work!
As a fan I feel let down. But as I stressed many times I do understand her to render her attorney in her awful situation today. Maybe we better start collecting money for her now? She sure needs it now, too!