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Can anyone recall (approximately) since what year does the porn include such things like:
- double anal
- anal gaping
- ass to mouth / ass to girls mouth.

When did it start, when did it become popular?

izaak.stoltzman wrote:Can anyone recall (approximately) since what year does the porn include such things like:
- double anal
- anal gaping
- ass to mouth / ass to girls mouth.

When did it start, when did it become popular?

I think its early in 2000 years with Jean-yves Lecastel in assman and debauchery series....

Since gonzo exists. Now it's called porn circus, like Sineplex stuff.

The first dap was shot in 1976 with a French girl, dont recall her name right now sorry.
But it was a very soft scene.

BRIDGETTE MAIER French Blue (1976), on dvd as: Cult 70ties Porno Director 7: Lasse Braun ALPHA BLUE ARCHIVES

JYLs early Assman is a good reference for me. Maybe it started 3-5 years earlier when Rocco and the first US dirctors took the Budapest girls a bit further...1995-9.

dap-addict wrote:The first dap was shot in 1976 with a French girl, dont recall her name right now sorry.
But it was a very soft scene.

BRIDGETTE MAIER French Blue (1976), on dvd as: Cult 70ties Porno Director 7: Lasse Braun ALPHA BLUE ARCHIVES

JYLs early Assman is a good reference for me. Maybe it started 3-5 years earlier when Rocco and the first US dirctors took the Budapest girls a bit further...1995-9.

I'd go with early to mid 1990s... Private Video Magazine started in 1991, Pierre Woodman's amazing Tower and Gigolo movies were around 1995, and all featured aggressive hard anal and DPs, A2M (at least in Towers 2 and 3 and later PVMs) and double anal (first DAP I watched was Ildiko's in PVM 20 released in 1995).

I doubt much porn like this existed before then, essentially hard anal porn started with the fall of the Berlin Wall in my opinion, as that's when the do-it-all Eastern Euro honeys became available and directors like Pierre started to 'mine' that profitable seam (or rather their backdoors )

Ildiko in PVM20 (1995) - I almost forgot her!
Her anal/dap was much harder than Eniko`s in JYL`s Assman 1 and CCs Euro Angels 2 released both in 1997.
When Pierre Woodman started his PVM in 1991 is was still pretty soft. But by 1993/5 he had reached a more enveloppe pulling anal approach.
Looks like JYL and CC only joined that hard anal quest later, than.

I think Private used different directors for the individual scenes in each PVM, Triple XXX and Private Stories video (which reminds me of the Liza Harper DAP in Triple X 1 also from 1995 where she gets fucked up the arse so hard that shit runs down her leg ... sadly I no longer have either any of my Private videos or a VHS recorder to play them in )

You are right, but I think most Eurobabes were shot by Pierre Woodman himself in his early PVM series.
Liza Harpers dap probabely not, but Ildiko yes.
Pierre would also have made Liza prepare better for anal/dap...

Anyway, I hope Pierre answers our doubts himself here soon!
I do wonder however, wheter not Patrick Collins or another US director started yet earlier with really hard anal in Budapest?

I have a funny anecdote for you guys who will make you understand how things have changed !

Of course anal exist in porn since the beginning but yes it was always " cool " until Stagliano and me arrived in the industry ! John did the famous " buttman workout with Rocco " and me I started the Private video department ( they already have done the PVM n° 1 in 1990 but they didn't want do video anymore ! ) It has been a nightmare to convince Berth Milton to accept the idea to make videos.
Then he asked me to recrut two directors and I did it with Linzy Honey aka BEND DOVER later and Bill Wright aka FRANCK THRING later. But the funny story to explain how all have changed is the following :

In february 1993 I brought to Stockholm JY Lecastel and Betty Gabor + A pretty French new actrice ( I forgot her name ). Franck Thring was under my wing for the shooting and I was giving him instructions about how to do and he was very upset that a " photographer " give him orders. Then came the moment when I told Betty to seat in anal on JYL's dick face for me and request the french girl to take off the dick and suck it !!! Believe it or not but Franck Thring went throat up in the toilett and was furious. Then he went to the Private office and did a huge scandal telling to Milton that this french guy ( me ! ) was totaly insane and no one will like see so discusting things in a porn movie ...
When you see what Franck did later for Private and today for Brazzers, it's really funny I think and shows how porn has evolued in few years from soft style to very hard, particulary when Rocco has started his own productions ...

PW

Ass to Mouth :

Real love !

There is even a mainstream movie that talks about ass to mouth wit Rosario Dawson : Clerks 2 directed and written by Kevin Smith

Pierre Woodman wrote:When you see what Franck did later for Private and today for Brazzers, it's really funny I think and shows how porn has evolued in few years from soft style to very hard, particulary when Rocco has started his own productions ...

PW

I'd forgotton all about Frank Thring, simply cos his movies were instantly forgetable unlike your hardcore anal scenes.

Pierre Woodman wrote:In february 1993 I brought to Stockholm JY Lecastel and Betty Gabor + A pretty French new actrice ( I forgot her name ). Franck Thring was under my wing for the shooting and I was giving him instructions about how to do and he was very upset that a " photographer " give him orders. Then came the moment when I told Betty to seat in anal on JYL's dick face for me and request the french girl to take off the dick and suck it !!! Believe it or not but Franck Thring went throat up in the toilett and was furious. Then he went to the Private office and did a huge scandal telling to Milton that this french guy ( me ! ) was totaly insane and no one will like see so discusting things in a porn movie ...

Thanks a lot for this anecdote, Pierre!
I always rather liked the foot fetish apprach with Frank Thring.
Also his Double Anal Club line was groundbreaking for Europorn, but that was after you started to shoot daps for Private, I think.
Tell us, did you shoot that Ildiko dap in PVM20?

All work of Ildico Varkoni in Private was mine and she did only two jobs out of me, if I'm not wrong, one Dorcel, one Salieri because she became the girlfriend of Philippe Soine for a period after meeting him at her first work ( photo shoot ) and he brought her there !

PW

Thanks a lot for that fast answer, Pierre!
Ildikos dap in PVM20 is one of the most important porn scenes for my further consumer habbits and porn fun in general!
Was it difficult to convince her to that dap?
Was it the first dap you shot?

Not complicated because she began anal with me and trusted me !!!
I don't remember when I did my first one ... sorry !!!

PW