How big is too big

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When is a scene size getting too big?

more than 500MB
12
25%
more than 1 GB
15
31%
more than 2 GBs
5
10%
more than 4 GBs
4
8%
Never, I enjoy Hi-Def Porn
12
25%
 
Total votes : 48

How big is too big

Postby Progue.Rock on Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:27 pm

ok, I am speaking of file size.

Ever noticed that porn sites now put up scenes as big as 4 GBs! Personally I think it's an overkill. Do we really need hi-def porn on our little computer screens? Not to mention the download speed and taking up 'precious' HD space (hey, I am still running a 6-year-old laptop with 250GB of HD :D ).

I love to know what you think via this poll, and hope it would also help our producers adjust accordingly :)

Personally I think a scene should be less than 1 GB, the technology is there to compress even the highest quality so that the file sizes shouldn't be so much
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Re: How big is too big

Postby alpha68 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:52 am

I'm more bothered by bad codecs such as Windows Media and bad aspect ratios such as used by X-Art, most of you probably know their famous model Tiffany Thomson.
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Re: How big is too big

Postby yenping on Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:47 am

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to exceed 1GB for high quality scenes with high quality girls. If it's just an average scene it really shouldn't exceed 400MB!!!

The evil companies purposely do this to make us burn our hard earned $$$ to buy more harddrives to give the illusion that we're not downloading enough.
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Re: How big is too big

Postby Sir Noel Plum on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:09 pm

Progue.Rock wrote:ok, I am speaking of file size.

Do we really need hi-def porn on our little computer screens?


I suppose it depends on your outlook. I mean, we don't 'need' high def porn in the same way we don't 'need' high def nature documentaries or feature films: do we really 'need' to see Gandalf's beard in such detail?

The problem i have with this line of reasoning though, is why anyone would not want to have the best image available? If you go out for a few drinks and see a beautiful woman, would you not want to see her as clearly as possible or would you pause a second to rub a little vaseline into your eyeballs just to blur things up a little?

For my part, there are many things that benefit from high image quality but none more than porn. I really don't need another another 1000 scenes on my pc of digital shit and this is where the real problem with low definition porn starts. When you watch a porn scene you should be looking forward to the action hotting up and getting a bit frantic. However, when the bitrate is too low it becomes something you dread because frantic movement means graininess and blockiness; it means as the action hots up the picture starts to fall to pieces! I find this a problem with a lot of 21sectury scenes. I sub to their site but probably delete a good 50% of the scenes I download simply because their encoding settings are not generous enough to cope with rapid movement: they make great porn as long as everyone remains pretty still :)


Now, to go back to your original quote "Do we really need hi-def porn on our little computer screens?". I have a 21 inch screen, pretty average nowadays, and a 50 inch tv downstairs (again, pretty average). Now i presume your argument is that HD may be necessary for the tv but not for the PC screen which is a fraction the size? The problem with this argument is that it is just wrong. A quick calculation on the back of an envelope here shows me that my television, being a good 8 feet away (minimum), subtends about 15 degrees of my viewing field whereas the monitor, being much much closer, subtends about 24 degrees. In other words, and blockiness or digital artifacts, brought about by your beloved inadequate file sizes, will be much more noticeable on the monitor than on the tv (and having sent files to my tv via my PS3 and can confirm that is true).


One more point though, on this HD issue. Pixel count does not equal high resolution. resolution is a measure of how much you can resolve, image-wise. Your mobile phone may claim a resolution of 8MP, for example, but in all likelihood what you will get is 8 million pixels of shit with no more actual information, actual resolution, than could be fitted on a 2MP image (if you are lucky). It is the same thing with HD porn. A couple of years ago I subbed to Giorgio grandi's 'no rest network' with all his scenes available in '1080P HD'. Unfortunately, everything the guy films is so blurry and seemingly out of focus that - tragically given the often amazing content - unless you shrink your media player down to a about a quarter-size it is like watching porn after ten pints of ultra-strength ale! In no way can i accept that that is 'high definition': it is digital shit and a terrible waste.

Last thing though progue.rock, a question for you. Why are you so bothered about such large file sizes and feel the need to influence companies away from making them? What is the site that is causing you the problems? The reason i ask is because every site I have subbed to has offered an array of lower resolutions and file sizes for those who aren't so bothered what the picture looks like or have low bandwidth. So what site isn't giving you the options YOU want and makes you feel the answer is to take away the options I want?
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Re: How big is too big

Postby IMaRetArd on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:17 pm

i want files easy to download....one version with low memoryspace and one with extreme quality. then i can choose....i would miss the HQ version if its a really good/special scene.
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Re: How big is too big

Postby Progue.Rock on Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:37 pm

well, I never said we should sacrifice quality for the sake of file size, although I do think you can have both reasonable file size with good quality. That's why I wouldn't mind scenes that are under 1GB. On the other hand, I simply wont consider scenes that are over 2GB, regardless of the scene.

Woodman just released a scene with Cayenne Klein casting that is over 7.5GB, to me that's just too much... I don't think that extra clarity would justify the additional file size, but once again, everyone is entitled to his opinion, and that's why I wanted to throw this out there and see how many point of views we would get :)


Sir Noel Plum wrote:I suppose it depends on your outlook. I mean, we don't 'need' high def porn in the same way we don't 'need' high def nature documentaries or feature films: do we really 'need' to see Gandalf's beard in such detail?

The problem i have with this line of reasoning though, is why anyone would not want to have the best image available? If you go out for a few drinks and see a beautiful woman, would you not want to see her as clearly as possible or would you pause a second to rub a little vaseline into your eyeballs just to blur things up a little?

For my part, there are many things that benefit from high image quality but none more than porn. I really don't need another another 1000 scenes on my pc of digital shit and this is where the real problem with low definition porn starts. When you watch a porn scene you should be looking forward to the action hotting up and getting a bit frantic. However, when the bitrate is too low it becomes something you dread because frantic movement means graininess and blockiness; it means as the action hots up the picture starts to fall to pieces! I find this a problem with a lot of 21sectury scenes. I sub to their site but probably delete a good 50% of the scenes I download simply because their encoding settings are not generous enough to cope with rapid movement: they make great porn as long as everyone remains pretty still :)


Now, to go back to your original quote "Do we really need hi-def porn on our little computer screens?". I have a 21 inch screen, pretty average nowadays, and a 50 inch tv downstairs (again, pretty average). Now i presume your argument is that HD may be necessary for the tv but not for the PC screen which is a fraction the size? The problem with this argument is that it is just wrong. A quick calculation on the back of an envelope here shows me that my television, being a good 8 feet away (minimum), subtends about 15 degrees of my viewing field whereas the monitor, being much much closer, subtends about 24 degrees. In other words, and blockiness or digital artifacts, brought about by your beloved inadequate file sizes, will be much more noticeable on the monitor than on the tv (and having sent files to my tv via my PS3 and can confirm that is true).


One more point though, on this HD issue. Pixel count does not equal high resolution. resolution is a measure of how much you can resolve, image-wise. Your mobile phone may claim a resolution of 8MP, for example, but in all likelihood what you will get is 8 million pixels of shit with no more actual information, actual resolution, than could be fitted on a 2MP image (if you are lucky). It is the same thing with HD porn. A couple of years ago I subbed to Giorgio grandi's 'no rest network' with all his scenes available in '1080P HD'. Unfortunately, everything the guy films is so blurry and seemingly out of focus that - tragically given the often amazing content - unless you shrink your media player down to a about a quarter-size it is like watching porn after ten pints of ultra-strength ale! In no way can i accept that that is 'high definition': it is digital shit and a terrible waste.

Last thing though progue.rock, a question for you. Why are you so bothered about such large file sizes and feel the need to influence companies away from making them? What is the site that is causing you the problems? The reason i ask is because every site I have subbed to has offered an array of lower resolutions and file sizes for those who aren't so bothered what the picture looks like or have low bandwidth. So what site isn't giving you the options YOU want and makes you feel the answer is to take away the options I want?
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Re: How big is too big

Postby alpha68 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:09 pm

How many minutes runs this 7.5 GB scene?
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Re: How big is too big

Postby Pierre Woodman on Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:52 am

The casting is 1h25 mn and will pass 2 hours in the final version !!! So it's logic if I want give a full format to my fans it comes to 7,5 GB !!! and probabily 9 or 10 in final version !!!
But you can also download a LQ version for around 1 G, and get 720, 420 and 220 streaming , so I don't see where is the problem ...

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Re: How big is too big

Postby alpha68 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:56 am

It's more like a full movie then so the file size is normal. I've not seen it but if there are any problems
I guess they are at least partly in front of the camera, :twisted: sorry, couldn't resist. :mrgreen:
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Re: How big is too big

Postby Sodomizeher on Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:29 pm

No issue with file size... I have an 8TB NAS for all my porn :twisted:
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Re: How big is too big

Postby Mr. Peter on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:17 pm

alpha68 wrote:I'm more bothered by bad codecs such as Windows Mediay]Tiffany Thomson[/url].

Are you kidding me? WM is considered one of the better codecs and since WM 9 (or VC-1) as a very good one (Im using it in a professional area, so Im not speaking out of my assh@le).
Bad video as a result of bad encoding process is not a fault of the codec itself. For sure WM codec can produce superb quality at high efficient compression.


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Re: How big is too big

Postby robot on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:32 pm

Sodomizeher wrote:No issue with file size... I have an 8TB NAS for all my porn :twisted:

8TB of dilatated gory orifices. yay :lol: Even my collection of torture porn is not that twisted :lol:
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Re: How big is too big

Postby yenping on Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:46 am

robot wrote:
Sodomizeher wrote:No issue with file size... I have an 8TB NAS for all my porn :twisted:

8TB of dilatated gory orifices. yay :lol: Even my collection of torture porn is not that twisted :lol:


How much does 8TB NAS cost?
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Re: How big is too big

Postby IMaRetArd on Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:51 am

umm..id like to add that i have like....4 or 5 scenes in the last 4 years that ive saved as HQ so...like i said it needs to be damn special if i want a 30 min scene over 1 gb. i think a scene at ca 20 min to be at ca 2-300 mb. 500 can be ok if its 30 min or a bit better quality, but i mean is just like a pointer towards what id be interested in. if its biggger id hardly b downloading at all.
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Re: How big is too big

Postby alpha68 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:38 am

WM is considered one of the better codecs


The Microsoft splitter has very bad seek performance meaning you have to wait for quite long if you jump backward or forward.

I'm not sure if this can be fixed somehow but my experience is the image quality is bad in all applications that cannot use Microsoft filters, VLC, XMBC, Mac, Linux etc.

MPEG-4 (h264/aac) has a lot advantages over Windows Media.
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