Hands on girls' heads during cumshot - yes/no?

[Vulture]

Just wondering what the consensus is here as this is a common bug bear of mine. I really hate that in the last few years it seems pretty much every facial cumshot is accompanied by the male performer holding the back of the girl's head with his (usually left) hand in the lead-up to climax. This isn't something I ever remember seeing prior to the last few years and it really ruins the cumshot for me as it looks a lot more aggressive and "punishment" based than if the guy keeps his hands free and the girl is allowed to move her head as she wishes. For me it's much hotter to see a girl convincing me that she wants to take a facial cumshot rather than because she has to. Her facial expression is so much more likely to be sexy and sultry if she's left untouched too - as soon as the hand grips there's a slight element of tension that (understandably) seems to creep into a girls' face for me.

Main reason I mention this now is because last night I saw what I think may be a benchmark moment in this debate. Aleksa Diamond in Gangland 75 ends a great scene with 3 separate pop shots to her face. On the last (I think) the guy does the thing of grabbing her head but she really skillfully ducks under and back from it in a "fuck you" kind of way but instantly puts her head back in the line of fire. It's not any kind of "cum dodge" attempt but more a way of saying "I want to enjoy this on my terms". The guy is smart and respectful enough not to bother with the hand on the head again and it turns out a great cumshot with Aleksa lapping it up. To whit: she didn't need anyone holding her head in order to take a pop to the face. And if she had had it anyway, it would have been less hot.

I think this gives the lie to the argument I hear peddled a lot that it isn't important or that the girls don't mind. This proves to me that at least a small number (I suspect it's many more) of our top porn ladies don't appreciate being held in this way. But obviously in that situation there's very little they can do (Aleksa's move was pretty ballsy and maybe a bit risky for her too) and if they complain afterwards I guess they may worry about being seen as "high maintenance" and losing other scenes with that director or those male performers. My genuine feeling is that whilst a good many female performers may be indifferent to this or even enjoy it, there are a good many who don't like it but put up with it because they think they have to.

Ultimately it's down to the performers and directors to agree this in advance I would say. I have absolutely no gripe with male and female performers and viewers who favour this to a more "loose" cumshot but I do object to it being so widespread. It's a similar thing to the whole throat grabbing debate and just seems to tie in with a movement towards male porn stars treating female porn stars more disrespectfully on screen these days than in the past.

So it's a "no" from me obviously.

Would love to hear reaction from any female porn stars in particular.

[campeon]

Of course

[sinspector]

..when it comes to porn, i'm always on the rough side

sinspector.

[dap-addict]

I get your point about agressive behaviour and punishment look, Vulture.
And thus I ted to vote with no.
But at the same time I`ve just watched some of those fine Omar Galanti cum-shots where he usually tries to glue the girls lovely eyes and ofte he just grabs her head in order to place it in a way makeing his aiming easier. And it didnt bother me!
Talking of facials there goes nothing over a good eye-pop for me.

[pagangod_uk]

Personally speaking, I don't like seeing the girls being forced to do something - doing it on their own terms is way more appealing, I detest all those fucked-up, misogynist performers who treat their scene partners like dirt - it often spoils so many potentially good scenes and leaves me feeling bad for the girls.

I also tend to believe that a lot of girls are put off carrying on in porn because of some of the on-screen abuse - so many girls do one or two, or maybe a handful of scenes without fully realizing what they are getting themselves into, then get appalling treatment and quickly decide to end their careers - everybody loses, the girls and the fans.

PG

[IMaRetArd]

Well to order some form of reasoning id say that if they are looking for some kind of punishment/domination/abuse style then its understandable that this is done and probably in some case is more fitting to the role. However t ofc as u say much much more appealing when a girl acts so that its like she really wants the facial. Much more appealing and exciting to watch someone that looks as if she enjoys it. kind of a natural choice imo but tastes and style varies However...if a girl doesnt want to take a facial and then dodges for minimum "impact" and the guy does use his hand so she cant escape can be somewhat exciting, so the scene must b one where the girl at least acts as if she wants it. otherwise its just not as exciting, to put it simple . thats also beacuse to me a hardcore b/g scene is just not complete without a facial

[Vulture]

However...if a girl doesnt want to take a facial and then dodges for minimum "impact" and the guy does use his hand so she cant escape can be somewhat exciting

I take your point but in years of watching porn I can't say I've ever seen a scene like that. The girls know that even if they don't like it they need to "fake it" a bit and a really obvious cum dodge would potentially harm their careers. I think you do occasionally see ones where the girl makes an effort to get her face really close to the guy's dick, thus preventing a strong face splash. Again that's very rare though. And the guys are getting hold of the girls before they even have a chance to dodge these days. It's a sort of "pre-emptive strike", assuming the worst of the girl. Which is just very poor. We'll never know if we have any really good, willing facial queens if they're never given a chance to prove it in the first place.

[LoveAvenue]

Well I like the raw and dominating facial, so head being held, possibly by pulling hair, whatever - I like it. That is, if the girl is into it - or at least understands that it's par for the course in the kind of movie she's doing so that if it happens, she's ready for it. In the scene you describe, it sounds as if this wasn't clear, maybe she was surprised by it, didn't much like it, and made her move.

Sorry these kinds of endings ruin the scene for you. There are woodkillers for me to, such as the awful "creampie".

[bobwww]

Personally speaking, I don't like seeing the girls being forced to do something - doing it on their own terms is way more appealing, I detest all those fucked-up, misogynist performers who treat their scene partners like dirt - it often spoils so many potentially good scenes and leaves me feeling bad for the girls.PG

Couldn't agree more! We all know that the girls only do this for the money but it's good if they at least look like they're enjoying it and that's hardly going to happen if they're forced to do something they don't want to. I can't stand the throat-grabbing, slapping and worst of all the interminable spitting that goes on in these movies. There are far too many misogynists amongst the male performers, such as that arsehole Rocco who clearly hates women and wants to do nothing other than humiliate them. How anyone can get off to that I don't understand.

[dap-addict]

I voted "no" in the end and the poll so far shows that the no hands option is leading.
Still, sometimes hands grabing her head just perfectly fit the script.
Also, often I still do not mind it.
But no dodging is really part of the job, thus hands on the girls head during cum-shots should not be needed for a good result, anyway.
Girls not holding her head still for the final are really rare, watch Omars Reality (Red Taurus) scene with Celine Black to see such really unsexy ending with a girl clearly shying away from the cum. Well, watching this scene I am really not surprised Celine Black did only 5-6 scenes and than changed her sex work job.

[Vulture]

There are far too many misogynists amongst the male performers

This is very true, sadly, and something I say a lot on here. I miss the "kid in a candy shop" excitement of Leslie Taylor. You really got that sense of amazement from him that he was fucking such stunning girls, which much better ties in to the surprise/fantasy element I personally want from porn. I'm not interested in just being invited briefly into the world of some megalomaniac male porn star who's determined to show me all of his "moves".

[sinspector]

rocco.. does just wonderful stuff and gets better with each movie. but that's just my opinion.

sinspector.

[IMaRetArd]

However...if a girl doesnt want to take a facial and then dodges for minimum "impact" and the guy does use his hand so she cant escape can be somewhat exciting

I take your point but in years of watching porn I can't say I've ever seen a scene like that. The girls know that even if they don't like it they need to "fake it" a bit and a really obvious cum dodge would potentially harm their careers. I think you do occasionally see ones where the girl makes an effort to get her face really close to the guy's dick, thus preventing a strong face splash. Again that's very rare though. And the guys are getting hold of the girls before they even have a chance to dodge these days. It's a sort of "pre-emptive strike", assuming the worst of the girl. Which is just very poor. We'll never know if we have any really good, willing facial queens if they're never given a chance to prove it in the first place.

well i have actually seen many movies where the girl sort of "avoids" by holding her hed further away and massagin her boobs instead of focusin on the facial...it sorta looked like she avoided on purpose, with the result bein that the guy missed her face....and omg what a turn off it became for me. loved the scenes and the buildup..and then close but no cigar felt like running a marathon and never reach the finish line so yea...then i so definetly would have wanted hands on her head.

[Patrick2]

Since I detest facial cum shots then anything like that is a major turn off for me. The sad part is that so many scnes end with those that I usually avoid the last couple of minutes of many videos so that I don't see the facial.

[senator]

Better a hand on the head than a hand around the throat....fucking hate throat grabbing....