Prague report - is it accurate

[alexxx]

I can immagine how difficult a decision that it for a producer thinking a certain girl could build up a longer porn career!
At the same time if you have girls like those Ukrainian 18 y.o. from Lviv willing to do dap you mtioned, I guess it would be stupid to miss the chance to try to shoot it. Nodbody knows if such a girl turns up on set again even if she was prepared to do pussy only I guess.
Basically looks like trial and error, but very revarding in some cases for sure.

Right! It's not easy to recognize the star because at the beginning you simply look for a new face with a stunning body. If she's enough nasty you may also accept a normal body because everybody likes normal girl transformed in a wild hottie.
For the rest it's question of mind. If the girl knows what she wants we will see her again or she will go to some bigger producer/agent/director/talent as often happens
Anyway FYI the 18yo from Lviv did oral,vaginal and anal. She tried a DP but she lasted less than 5 minutes. But I'm sure she's already in St Petersburg and I frankly happy for that.

[dap-addict]

Right! It's not easy to recognize the star because at the beginning you simply look for a new face with a stunning body. If she's enough nasty you may also accept a normal body because everybody likes normal girl transformed in a wild hottie.

I wonder how big the risk is when shooting nasty scenes you dont know wheter the girl can perform?
I mean if you have to abolish a dp after 5 minutes I guess that´s okay, but if the trial lasts longer you have to pay the crew, the location etc longer, too. In the end you may cut out the crap and still have a softer looking scene, but probabely not always.
How much is the risk to loose all - money and time?

Anyway FYI the 18yo from Lviv did oral,vaginal and anal. She tried a DP but she lasted less than 5 minutes. But I'm sure she's already in St Petersburg and I frankly happy for that.

I am glad for her!
And waiting to see her turn up perfectly fit for dp and more with Sineplex, MGR or even CC.

Where the other Lviv girls 19 y.o. and older? Any daps performed actually yet?

[Diabolik]

Hi,

I'm new to this forum.
I'm a filmmaker/producer from Belgium and worked with a bunch of Czech models and agencies, and got to know some of them quite well.

I can confirm that the reasons for them doing porn is a mix of what I read in this discussion, and I can also add some new info too:

- they do it for the money; and yes 500 euro is alot of money for them; Prague is cheap for tourists, but it is an expensive city for Czech people.
- some do it just to have sex, because they cannot have it in their private life; they have difficulties keeping relationships, and their personal life is messed up.
- some of them shop alot, they cannot save up money, so they do it to keep up their lifstyle; but others do it because they have debts to pay
- there is also a moral issue here: some of them want to quit but can't because they really need the cash; but they do feel a bit sad about it.
- their family and friends often do not know what their daughter/sister is up to; some of these newcomers stop because it gets known

[alexxx]

I wonder how big the risk is when shooting nasty scenes you dont know wheter the girl can perform?
I mean if you have to abolish a dp after 5 minutes I guess that´s okay, but if the trial lasts longer you have to pay the crew, the location etc longer, too. In the end you may cut out the crap and still have a softer looking scene, but probabely not always.
How much is the risk to loose all - money and time?

Well, 5 minutes of DP for a newbie is fair.
The money is not too much during castings because the crew is small and you do many girls on the same day.
For sure you must edit... castings are full of inconvenients!
But they are also an investment: the producer is always happy if he has the honour to have been the FIRST.
Imagine to have shooted the first anal, the first DP or first deepthroat, or first gangbang... of a newcomer!
The same for the agent who presents the girl!
And the girl herself earns more points in the biz which means more opportunities.

Where the other Lviv girls 19 y.o. and older? Any daps performed actually yet?

Dap not yet but I believe one of them, Irina B (her casting name), should be soon dapped for an american prod who was looking for nasty old-young scenes.
She already did a DP and the photographer who introduced her was quite happy and confident about her also in the hardest scenes.
So I expect she will try the DAP.
Others will be soon in some small russian prods.
I just know one of them asked to perform with her boyfriend.
Anyway no one single girl who had sex (at least a blowjob) during the casting is out of the biz. This means these ukrainian girls are quite open-minded and ready to start a porn career.

We will see more in the next months....

[dap-addict]

I wonder how big the risk is when shooting nasty scenes you dont know wheter the girl can perform?
I mean if you have to abolish a dp after 5 minutes I guess that´s okay, but if the trial lasts longer you have to pay the crew, the location etc longer, too. In the end you may cut out the crap and still have a softer looking scene, but probabely not always.
How much is the risk to loose all - money and time?

Well, 5 minutes of DP for a newbie is fair.
The money is not too much during castings because the crew is small and you do many girls on the same day.
For sure you must edit... castings are full of inconvenients!
But they are also an investment: the producer is always happy if he has the honour to have been the FIRST.
Imagine to have shooted the first anal, the first DP or first deepthroat, or first gangbang... of a newcomer!
The same for the agent who presents the girl!
And the girl herself earns more points in the biz which means more opportunities.

Thanks a lot for this answers, alex!
Now I just wonder why not more producers/agents try to get harder acts out of these newcomers during the first casting?
So far - except Woodman - I got the impression that most castings start really on the soft end.

[gepont]

I have some experience in castings. Well, if you would start on their first casting with a DP, DAP, etc. you probably scare the shit out of these girls. Many of them have very little sexual experience and if someone would try to DP them on their first job, you never see them again on any set or agency. On the other hand some agents especially for the potentially successful future models (really nice girls) advising to do everything step by step, start with G/G, then B/G, earn a name and then do anal, and then the harder things, simply because they can earn more money if they are names.

[alexxx]

I have some experience in castings. Well, if you would start on their first casting with a DP, DAP, etc. you probably scare the shit out of these girls. Many of them have very little sexual experience and if someone would try to DP them on their first job, you never see them again on any set or agency. On the other hand some agents especially for the potentially successful future models (really nice girls) advising to do everything step by step, start with G/G, then B/G, earn a name and then do anal, and then the harder things, simply because they can earn more money if they are names.

Fully true! I agree. You always start easy and soft except if the girl has already some professional/personal experience.

[dap-addict]

I have some experience in castings. Well, if you would start on their first casting with a DP, DAP, etc. you probably scare the shit out of these girls. Many of them have very little sexual experience and if someone would try to DP them on their first job, you never see them again on any set or agency.

I perfectly get the logic, but alexxx also said you do anyway never know wheter these girls will turn up an a next shooting anyway.
I guess this is especially true if you do castings in places like Ukraine.

[Nornik]

Sorry for the OT:
Robert Rosenberg was arrested by police, with his wife and associate, yesteday.
Nobody knows the reason why, but "they have been charged of some crime", said police spokesman.

[BEP]

Bad news

Prague Erotika Sex fair show will begin after 2 weeks... This is greater loss for all fan of Robert Rosenberg who like to see his action in real...

[alexxx]

I have some experience in castings. Well, if you would start on their first casting with a DP, DAP, etc. you probably scare the shit out of these girls. Many of them have very little sexual experience and if someone would try to DP them on their first job, you never see them again on any set or agency.

I perfectly get the logic, but alexxx also said you do anyway never know wheter these girls will turn up an a next shooting anyway.
I guess this is especially true if you do castings in places like Ukraine.

Just for your information: gepont was mainly speaking about girls who came with agent. In that case the agent try to introduce smoothly the girl in the biz.
But this happens in 60% of the total cases. In my experience I saw some newbie soon involved in the hardest scenes.
Why? Many reasons... the last time it was because the girl was open to perform a DP and she got 3 guys for that special scene.
It was not easy especially for the girl ( I don't know if she will perform again a DP in the short term) but the result was outstanding.
Finally, by the point of view of the producer if you can obtain more from a girl you never say no.
And, yes, if you are already sure she will not be back, you pretend more from her last performance.
MAybe it sounds hard but it's the best way to get the best from each actress.

[dap-addict]

Just for your information: gepont was mainly speaking about girls who came with agent. In that case the agent try to introduce smoothly the girl in the biz.

Okay, now I understand.
Thanks a lot for clearing this up, alexxx!
Thus about 40% of all porn girls dont have an agent already when they appear at castings? At which point do they try to get one, than?

Finally, by the point of view of the producer if you can obtain more from a girl you never say no.
And, yes, if you are already sure she will not be back, you pretend more from her last performance.
MAybe it sounds hard but it's the best way to get the best from each actress.

I dont think this is hard, it´s rather just the way producers have to work in this biz. I mean who wouldnt want to get the best out of a girl in such a situation! Of course they have to take the window of oportunity as long as it is open! And it´s for sure much better than having girls turning up on porn sets a 2nd time against their will.

[dap-addict]

Starting to get a bit worried about the Prague situation:
In R-rated Oldrich Widman says there was much less porn shot currently in Prague than in previous years.
From Prague based girls I heard they are shooting more and more in Budapest because there were nearly no jobs in Prague.
I know we still have Brno in Czech.
But sounds alarming at least!
What happened?
Will only Budapest survive?

[STEMCELL]

But sounds alarming at least!
What happened?
Will only Budapest survive?

wait until the Chinese Mafia is taking over the domestic sex biz and put their titles on the international markets.
Sex and prostitution is already a huge market in China and I do not see a reason why we should only buy electronics from the Asians, but Porn also

[sbando]

wait until the Chinese Mafia is taking over

"By the time Bart's 18 we're gonna control the world!
...We're China, right?"

(Homer J. Simpson)