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Re: ARENA

Postby cindyloumerican on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:20 am

makker wrote:
Am0rIn0 wrote:now that you guys mention it, in the USA the market is quite free, every model can be booked by every producer at an agency. the only kinded of exclusive contracts who make sense is between model and agency, so she will have also a better management.

just think about cuties like dillon harper, in europe she would be already exclusive with a production. also when i think about nekane, who was exclusive with cumlouder, she just did a few poor scenes and is now retired. looks like every b/g model in europe who is slim has pretty face and C-cups becomes exclusive soon.

So why is the porn market in Europe not like it is in the USA? Is it because it more matured there?

Anyway, one of the advantages in Europe is that girls are more prepared to do anal, IR and other stuff earlier than in the USA. American girls only do anal when they are several years in their career (after lot of begging :wink: ).

You have to give it to PW though, that he managed to do some hot girls anal :::


Porn market is more matured in europe than north america. Porn is also regulated here.
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Re: ARENA

Postby Philanderer81 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:08 am

Euro girls are much better to watch than American girls in my opinion. The fact that IR is considered "kinky" there is fucked up even when it's just a regular B/G scene. There are problems with the European market for sure but the American market is also suffering because their scenes are so fucking boring. Why watch professional B/G when you can get that on web chat? This whole don't do anal on camera (even if everyone can see you get regularly fucked in the ass in private) until you get the right offer shtick is why I shifted from American market to European.

Interesting what UDO said. What does that mean about the Scarlett Lee scene when there was a big "Censored" sign slapped on when she had clearly just shat all over PW?

Anyway, it's true that PW brought many very hot girls to the market and it's true his interview style is popular (there isn't a copyright on it so I think other producers should copy, maybe improve on it) so I'll give him that. But it's looking like since he caught in that lie and blocking Scarlett Lee from other producers he's lost face on this forum
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Re: ARENA

Postby dejanbear on Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:20 am

I don't like Woodman work too much (bad light, his small dick, hairy ass to much on screen ....) and I criticized him often on this forum.

But this kind of hate is too much. In Arena there should be fight but here everyone are on one side. And that is his competition for which we cant say that are objective. On the contrary, i think there is to much personal interests (MONEY).

Even if its true that he want to keep models for him self, doesn't other do same? Its so natural in business of any kind to try to be exclusive.

I cant lose my time to answer to all accusations about Woodman that I noticed are not true, and I don't want to be his lawyer.
it is strange that following top models quit b/g or even biz completely shortly after working with pw:
- holly anderson
- delfine
- jenny apach
- rose delight
- angel hott
- ashley stillar

Most of this girls worked for many producers bg, look on forum.
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Re: ARENA

Postby Philanderer81 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:07 pm

What happened to the Sineplex comment from earlier?
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Re: ARENA

Postby erotic_dude on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:41 pm

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erotic_dude wrote:In his scenes now he now is constantly calling his models whores. You didn''t see this in any of his old castings. there has to be a psychological reason for this. He has no respect now for the models he works with. And seeing him force models to swallow his sperm against their wishes is disgusting and in my view it's borderline rape.

It's called gonzo. I guess you don't watch clips from Kink...


I have watched clips from Kink but it's not something I enjoy watching. But your comparison is flawed. Kink run through the script with the model in the interview at the beginning. The model decides how far she wants to go. And there are models like Lola Taylor who clearly enjoy being taken to the limit. In PW's case it's the exact opposite. I personally know of models that were forced to swallow his sperm against their wishes.
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Re: ARENA

Postby UDO on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:47 pm

Philanderer81 wrote:What happened to the Sineplex comment from earlier?

I guess it was too much inviting Pierre bac in the Arena for a next round :roll: and got deleted.
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Re: ARENA

Postby UDO on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:52 pm

erotic_dude wrote:
paroxysmia wrote:
erotic_dude wrote:In his scenes now he now is constantly calling his models whores. You didn''t see this in any of his old castings. there has to be a psychological reason for this. He has no respect now for the models he works with. And seeing him force models to swallow his sperm against their wishes is disgusting and in my view it's borderline rape.

It's called gonzo. I guess you don't watch clips from Kink...


I have watched clips from Kink but it's not something I enjoy watching. But your comparison is flawed. Kink run through the script with the model in the interview at the beginning. The model decides how far she wants to go. And there are models like Lola Taylor who clearly enjoy being taken to the limit. In PW's case it's the exact opposite. I personally know of models that were forced to swallow his sperm against their wishes.

Sorry, but as I know he makes fake cumshot (without any sperm ). Maybe this is why it looks like he's forcing the girls to swallow it :roll: He has to keep his semens for Sophie 8)
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Re: ARENA

Postby UDO on Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:04 pm

Whispering Death wrote:If PW didnt gossip, lie or have the touch of a green-eyed monster about others he wouldn't have these problems. The trouble when you gossip about others on forum they either read it or someone will tell them.

He cracked the shits over Foxi Di because she worked for Rocco, it obviously didnt bother Rocco if she performed with a younger guy, because he brought in Markus. But for PW I guess his ego got in the way, but then again if he didnt let jealousy get in the way he could of brought in a Markus type. Instead he told a slight lie.


I think this is the Karma he talked about many times. Certainly he is afraid of his one, thus why he mention it many times :roll: He is tormented by his conscience,but that is already the way of healing :)
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Re: ARENA

Postby Sineplex-cz on Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:48 pm

Philanderer81 wrote:What happened to the Sineplex comment from earlier?



yes interesting guess truth is not so nice around here.... busted?
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Re: ARENA

Postby makker on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:14 pm

Sineplex-cz wrote:
Philanderer81 wrote:What happened to the Sineplex comment from earlier?



yes interesting guess truth is not so nice around here.... busted?

Hmm, yes Robot why is the comment of Sineplex deleted????? I thought this thread was not moderated so much?

UDO, I always wondered what happened with the Russian girl Camilla. PW got really pissed of about her and he said not so nice things about her (in French) even while he was doing her. It was outrageous how he treated this poor a bit naieve girl.
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Re: ARENA

Postby UDO on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:15 pm

Sineplex-cz wrote:She was expelled from her school yesterday after someone sent her videos to her friends and school on Sunday evening.

It is clear that Pierre Woodman is behind this as he received a public humiliation here recently, and had actually threatened Lucianna to send her videos to her school before.

This should serve a warning to all models and agents : PW is a dangerous psychopath. He will not hesitate to coerce, blackmail, lie, fabricate anything to have his way.


Why I'm not surprised ?

When he manipulated my ex models to get angry on me, he's strategy is inciting people against each other, like this getting as much infos from both parties being in the midle, can use against them when it's the time 8)
He pushed me to be angry on Sophie Lynx, because she does anal for others, punishing me everyday cuz of what my ex models do, as one is responsable for it. He photoshopped a nice picture of Sophie when smoking a cigarette to publish it on facebook, EBI, everywell, than later when I had enough girls angry on me (okay, on some of them me too I was angry, and did my not so nice actions.There is alimit for me too, and nobody's angel. Some girls can be really mad too ), he called them, and adviced /pushed) that group of girls to make a report at the police against me where he already had everything arranged with a policeman (friend, or contact of his, corrupted, or not :roll: :roll: :roll: ) to can start making some trouble to me :roll:
So just to see it more clear :
Casting of Sophie Lynx I find for him. Let's keep this girl as much time possible to be exclusive. She must learn english to can become a starlet, but until she learn enough to can comunicate Pierre is booking her domain name, and I star to promote her on business related forums, facebook, etc. of course with the consent of the model, building an image to her. Let remain only at her facebook. She have her private account and she have the new "Sophie Lynx " one managed by me, and of course under her control knowing the password, and publishing herself some own private photos she had.
Next is, she start to work for Sandys agency clients from where me I don't get paid as agent. Same time PW start to make problems to me why she's working for them, and I don't control my model. PW is thinking I make money with my model out of him, so why he would pay me for my work ? Why he paid, and booked the domain name ? Why he made so many scenes with this girl, if he will not get back his invested money ? Ok. so I change the password on the fb. and ask Sophie to manage this situation with Pierre, cuz I'm fucked by being on the middle. She does'nt care at all, having already many bookings were waiting for her at the other agency. Pierre is telling me to push her to use another stage name, since it is the woodman 's company the owner of the "Sophie Lynx" name, it is him whom paid, and booked that domain name. No she does'nt care. I get a pressure from 1 side (my boss ) and make angry the other side (my ex model ). If I would be paid, and not feeling any pressure, why I would be angry myself too ?
But is'nt this enough, cuz it comed the time when Pierre can use all theese against me....So Sophie made the report at the Hungarian police that I'm doing a fake facebook profile using pictures of her, and also private picture of her with she's daughter on it. So, I am pedophyle :shock: :shock: :shock: And yes, believe or not, because Sophie Lynx the time she had access to her business facebook account/page she posted some private pics of herself, but later she've lost the access for it, the police was taken this serious, and made some unofficial investigation.They called Leyla, tried to make her scared, and find out from her, maybe she have some infos about me they can use against me :roll: Nothing more 8) And I'm repeating: I talked to my lawyer to find out about, EVERYTHING WAS UNOFFICIAL :shock:
What you think? Guess. who could manage, manipulate things like that ?
I said many times, this guy is sending 3 times more money on making troubles around, and on playing the FBI than on his production.
Maybe he needs those infos, maybe he also has to deliver them for others, who knows when he has so many police related contacts ?
When was my french court trial it happened that he informed me about something related to my case,without to ask him, that my lawyer did'nt know about. :shock:
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Re: ARENA

Postby robot on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:23 pm

makker wrote:
Sineplex-cz wrote:
Philanderer81 wrote:What happened to the Sineplex comment from earlier?



yes interesting guess truth is not so nice around here.... busted?

Hmm, yes Robot why is the comment of Sineplex deleted????? I thought this thread was not moderated so much?

UDO, I always wondered what happened with the Russian girl Camilla. PW got really pissed of about her and he said not so nice things about her (in French) even while he was doing her. It was outrageous how he treated this poor a bit naieve girl.



look guys, as much as you hate PW, you have to see the facts. I don't know and you don't know what happened. The school principal knows. If you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to have evidence. I will play the devil's advocate, but can you assume 100% that it's him? She shot porn for years, and she is not the first girl to get expelled for that kind of things. It is still possible that schoolmates or who knows who sent some pics to the school.
I'm not saying he is guilty or not guilty, just that we don't know 100%. Am I not right? If it were death penalty, would you kill someone without proof?
You can blame him as much as you want, I will say that in this case, we don't know for sure.


I didn't delete sineplex's post here. Now I'm wondering about this thread's purpose as PW is gone from the forum and hopefully there will be no more fights all over the place.
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Re: ARENA

Postby Am0rIn0 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:26 pm

dejanbear wrote:I don't like Woodman work too much (bad light, his small dick, hairy ass to much on screen ....) and I criticized him often on this forum.

But this kind of hate is too much. In Arena there should be fight but here everyone are on one side. And that is his competition for which we cant say that are objective. On the contrary, i think there is to much personal interests (MONEY).

Even if its true that he want to keep models for him self, doesn't other do same? Its so natural in business of any kind to try to be exclusive.

I cant lose my time to answer to all accusations about Woodman that I noticed are not true, and I don't want to be his lawyer.
it is strange that following top models quit b/g or even biz completely shortly after working with pw:
- holly anderson
- delfine
- jenny apach
- rose delight
- angel hott
- ashley stillar

Most of this girls worked for many producers bg, look on forum.



yes but BEFORE they met him. that camilla cutie also seemed to stop after her budapest trip. it is just strange.
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Re: ARENA

Postby sgr_sgr on Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:33 pm

robot wrote:Now I'm wondering about this thread's purpose as PW is gone from the forum and hopefully there will be no more fights all over the place.

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Re: ARENA

Postby Am0rIn0 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:39 pm

robot wrote:Now I'm wondering about this thread's purpose as PW is gone from the forum and hopefully there will be no more fights all over the place.


vast majority of pages in arena are not about the woodman. now it is just a debate about harmful biz methods and i suppose it will stop after some time automatically. but now even arena posts get censored like the sineplex one.
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