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Postby camaban on Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:33 pm

dap-addict wrote:
qwertz wrote:...but nothing comparable with FTVGirls.com/1by-day.com/met-art.com/a.s.o.
Why?

German porn production was always kind of niche (amateur, fist, fat etc) orientated.
Dont ask me why, but one reason could be that the good looking girls cannot be payed reasonable fees to make it still profitable for the producers.
Maybe, however, it`s also a cultural thing?
:?

The prices I mentioned in my previous post should make it profitable. But I think only a few accept this usury until today.
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Postby qwertz on Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:49 pm

dap-addict wrote:Maybe, however, it`s also a cultural thing?
:?

I think yes...

If you ask the german folk after the porn business no one would like to talk about it, because it's too dingy/dirty and filled up with dimwits/sick/perverse guys with zero brain.
If you ask the clueless folks here in germany after a famous porn actor they just know to talk about atificial girl with silicon busts like:
- Dolly Buster http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_Buster (she is the blonde girl with the huge silicon busts - state: czech republic)
- Gina Wild http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Schaffrath (ordinary character but with huge silicon busts)

Unfortunatelly, even these girls you can/could see very often in the german television. They are interresting for the television, because of their special apparition - huge tits a.s.o. That's why the clueless folk just know to talk about these girls.

If you ask the folk about Nella, Sandy or Sophie Moon you don't get any answers.

Because of the bad image of the german pornbusiness the good looking german girls don't want to get involved in the business as a model.

In comparison to germany you have so many good looking girls in the hungarian pornbusiness.
- I would like to know if the image of your pornbusiness in Budapest (with Sandy) is a better one?
- Do the poeple like to talk about their famous models - without any shame?

On the other hand we have for example three nice models in the german pornbusiness with an absolutely normal character and without silicon busts:
- Jana Bach http://www.janabach.de/home.htm (the brunette girl) She doesn't smoke or drink any alcohol and has an absolutely normal character without affectations of a pornstar
- Tyra Misoux http://www.tyra-misoux.de/ She lives in Berlin and has also a nice character
- Anja Juliette Laval http://www.dvderotik.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/72/products_id/2469
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Postby camaban on Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:21 pm

paroxysmia wrote:And this one !!!

http://www.doppelanal.net/

What's german about it besides the text? Bonnie Bon -> Hungary, Molly + Melissa Black -> Czech Republic , ....
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Postby camaban on Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:36 pm

qwertz wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Maybe, however, it`s also a cultural thing?
:?

I think yes...

If you ask the german folk after the porn business no one would like to talk about it, because it's too dingy/dirty and filled up with dimwits/sick/perverse guys with zero brain.
If you ask the clueless folks here in germany after a famous porn actor they just know to talk about atificial girl with silicon busts like:
- Dolly Buster http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_Buster (she is the blonde girl with the huge silicon busts - state: czech republic)
- Gina Wild http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Schaffrath (ordinary character but with huge silicon busts)

Unfortunatelly, even these girls you can/could see very often in the german television. They are interresting for the television, because of their special apparition - huge tits a.s.o. That's why the clueless folk just know to talk about these girls.

If you ask the folk about Nella, Sandy or Sophie Moon you don't get any answers.

Because of the bad image of the german pornbusiness the good looking german girls don't want to get involved in the business as a model.

In comparison to germany you have so many good looking girls in the hungarian pornbusiness.
- I would like to know if the image of your pornbusiness in Budapest (with Sandy) is a better one?
- Do the poeple like to talk about their famous models - without any shame?

On the other hand we have for example three nice models in the german pornbusiness with an absolutely normal character and without silicon busts:
- Jana Bach http://www.janabach.de/home.htm (the brunette girl) She doesn't smoke or drink any alcohol and has an absolutely normal character without affectations of a pornstar
- Tyra Misoux http://www.tyra-misoux.de/ She lives in Berlin and has also a nice character
- Anja Juliette Laval http://www.dvderotik.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/72/products_id/2469

Oh yes, Gina Wild, Dolly Buster, Kelly Trump , ... ugly blond chicks with big fake tits, thats what is well known here. But not from porn movies (no one is looking porn in our crazy country if you ask them!), but they heard about them or have seen them in a talk show or shit shows like "Ich bin ein Star, holt mich hier raus".

But noone is looking porn here. Maybe that is the big mistake! Hungarian or Czech pornstars? No chance, their names were changed on the cover, if you don't buy the original release. All in all our nation really knows nothing about the porn industry. And the German porn companies think that their customer are satisfied if you give them stroke material regardless of the quality.

I remember my first internet order six years ago at a German online store. I've ordered "Straight to the A 1 and 2" from Redlight. They didn't have it in stock and because they didn't know how long I have to wait since they can deliver it, they simple send me three shit german anal movies at the exactly same price. They thought a anal lover, ok let's send him some ass stuff and he's pleased. ut I make this order because I want to see Taylor Rain and Belladonna getting fuckes up the ass not some unknown and ugly German bitch! That's what's porn about here. Amateur stuff from filming to distribution :evil:
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Postby qwertz on Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:23 pm

Some background infos:

The pornographie became banned in the german television in the year 1971. It's not allowed to show coition on TV.
http://www.focus.de/kultur/medien/fernsehen-europaeische-vielfalt_aid_184569.html

Since then the german politic tries to censor the human sexuality on other media as well.
In other european countries like Italy, Sweden, France and Spain the folk is allowed to experience the truth about the human sexuality on TV.
But our prude folk runs with blinders through our country.

Instead of our porn industry becomes reproaches like:
- Porn abases the wife
- Porn destroys the family
- Porn makes men to sex offender
http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/:Sexmesse-Venus-Porno-Branche-Internet-Falle/600704.html?p=2&nv=ct_cb

The german politic banned pornographical pictures since 200x on german websites as well.

But the today's reality by our kids looks totally different - porn first as of 18 - nonsense:
- the kids get informed about her sexuality via porn on the internet - certainly not on german websites - and/or send each other pornmedia with their handys
- with 13/14 they make their first sexual experience
- with 15 some kids asks the teacher in sex education how anal sex works
- if an kid asks the parents how a female orgasum works (squirt) it won't get an answer but parents with wide eyes
- prophesy says that in the year 2010 a ten years old kid will be already pubescent

Now, the german politic thinks about to ban the broadcast of pornographical media via handy as well.
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Postby qwertz on Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:40 pm

Our pornbusiness is too extreme for our country in my eyes.

If a model is in the german pornbusiness it automatically means that the model get fucked.
So, that's why call our models "pornstars" and not models. We do not differ between soft models and hardcore models. The german pornbusiness is mostly hardcore and that's it.
http://www.germangoogirls.com

In my eyes this could be an important reasons why we have a big cut between the peoples in germany who like the pornbusiness and who hate it.

That's why i would like to see softcore websites for the german soft models. A soft model in our country just sits in front of a webcam with bad video resolutions, bad video bitrates and jumping pictures.
I don't understand why no one in the german pornbusiness strike on this idea. Softcore webseiten like FTVGirls.com/1by-day.com/met-art.com shows us how it works.

Instead of the Magma porn pruducer "Nils Molitor" said in this interview on Venus 2007 in Berlin
http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/:Sexmesse-Venus-Porno-Branche-Internet-Falle/600704.html?p=2&nv=ct_cb
that he only see the success for the german pornbusiness in producing videos with a big storyline like in an ordinary film but with sex.
I think this is bullshit because no one wants to pay for stories with models without abilities of an actor and downright ridiculous treatises.
Even the pornstar Tyra Misoux said in an interview during a videoproduction that the folk would like to see her above all getting fucked and that the peoples are not really interrested in stories.
As well magma don't understand that DRM is history. Even the music industy understand this now: iTunes, Amazon, emusic, EMI Music, a.s.o. So, why is our german pornbusiness so blind?

Why are we not able to originate websites like
http://www.explicite-art.com/ (Fench Pornpruducer John B. Root)

I believe we have simply the wrong guys in our pornbusiness!
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Postby qwertz on Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:36 pm

paroxysmia wrote:And this one !!!

http://www.doppelanal.net/

An actual apposite example for our bad porn image - thanks paroxysmia

The brainless dirty german porn-slang:

...Ein Schwanz ist diesen versauten Weibern einfach nicht genug und weil sie es richtig hart und noch viel enger mögen, schieben hier die geilen Stecher ihre Riesen-Lümmel gleich beide ins Arschloch. Höchstbelastung für jede Analfotze...
...Vivian gehört zu der Sorte Girl, die 24 Stunden ficken könnte. So ein scharfer Körper braucht es, hart gefickt zu werden. Auch so ein Nordlicht aus Hamburg, aber eine echte Fickschlampe, denn sie liebt einen amtlichen, harten Fick. Zwei Schwänze kriegt sie und zwei Schwänze kriegt sie voll in den Hintern.
...So eine heiße Braut bringt schon richtig Fickerfahrung mit. 27 Jahre alt und ein traumhafter Körper. Also, Beine breit und zeig her deinen Spitzen-Knackarsch und deine feuchte Spalte. Doch heute geht es auch noch um die super-enge Rosette und gleich zwei harte Schwänze.
...Klar kriegt sie erstmal den Arsch versohlt und die Titten geknetet, während sie scharf bläst, bis die Schwänze ganz hart sind. Der ist ein Schwanz wirklich nicht genug, denn erst als die zweite Rute rein kommt, geht sie richtig ab.
...So eine dralle Blondine will es wissen und natürlich bekommt sie es gleich doppelt in ihren scharfen Knackarsch besorgt. Die 24 jährige Melissa Black ist eine ganz freche Schlampe, aber so sind die Münchner Girls wohl von Natur aus. Sie kann es gar nicht erwarten sich der dicken Lümmel anzunehmen. So eine Dreckschlampe gibt’s selten, aber sie bekommt gleich zwei Schwänze verpasst.
...Ein scharfer, tschechischer Import, der hier doppelt von hinten aufgespießt werden soll und auch wird...
...Was für eine scharfe Granate hier heute doppelt in die Arschritze gevögelt wird. Direkt aus der Hauptstadt kommt die 20jährige Blondine und wie die auf einen Schwanz im Arsch schon reagiert st schon geil, aber bei zwei Schwänzen ist die geile Maus nicht mehr zu halten. Da wird es richtig schön eng, wenn zwei harte Schwänze die enge Arschfotze hardcore und geil vögeln.

That's the typically dirty german porn-slang for only "schwanzgesteuerte" guys with nothing beside bullshit in their brains - that's the truth!
They insult the girls and name them as: Totty, Bitch (endless times), Fuck-Bitch, Dirty-Bitch, Ass-Bitch, Twat, ...
This is an apt example for the bad pornbusiness image here in germany. No one of the germans (beside the brainless dicks) would like to have something to do with it.
And the deterred/disgusted good looking german girls will never appear in such a dirty pornbusiness.
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Postby camaban on Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:58 pm

qwertz wrote:
paroxysmia wrote:And this one !!!

http://www.doppelanal.net/

An actual apposite example for our bad porn image - thanks paroxysmia

The brainless dirty german porn-slang:

...Ein Schwanz ist diesen versauten Weibern einfach nicht genug und weil sie es richtig hart und noch viel enger mögen, schieben hier die geilen Stecher ihre Riesen-Lümmel gleich beide ins Arschloch. Höchstbelastung für jede Analfotze...
...Vivian gehört zu der Sorte Girl, die 24 Stunden ficken könnte. So ein scharfer Körper braucht es, hart gefickt zu werden. Auch so ein Nordlicht aus Hamburg, aber eine echte Fickschlampe, denn sie liebt einen amtlichen, harten Fick. Zwei Schwänze kriegt sie und zwei Schwänze kriegt sie voll in den Hintern.
...So eine heiße Braut bringt schon richtig Fickerfahrung mit. 27 Jahre alt und ein traumhafter Körper. Also, Beine breit und zeig her deinen Spitzen-Knackarsch und deine feuchte Spalte. Doch heute geht es auch noch um die super-enge Rosette und gleich zwei harte Schwänze.
...Klar kriegt sie erstmal den Arsch versohlt und die Titten geknetet, während sie scharf bläst, bis die Schwänze ganz hart sind. Der ist ein Schwanz wirklich nicht genug, denn erst als die zweite Rute rein kommt, geht sie richtig ab.
...So eine dralle Blondine will es wissen und natürlich bekommt sie es gleich doppelt in ihren scharfen Knackarsch besorgt. Die 24 jährige Melissa Black ist eine ganz freche Schlampe, aber so sind die Münchner Girls wohl von Natur aus. Sie kann es gar nicht erwarten sich der dicken Lümmel anzunehmen. So eine Dreckschlampe gibt’s selten, aber sie bekommt gleich zwei Schwänze verpasst.
...Ein scharfer, tschechischer Import, der hier doppelt von hinten aufgespießt werden soll und auch wird...
...Was für eine scharfe Granate hier heute doppelt in die Arschritze gevögelt wird. Direkt aus der Hauptstadt kommt die 20jährige Blondine und wie die auf einen Schwanz im Arsch schon reagiert st schon geil, aber bei zwei Schwänzen ist die geile Maus nicht mehr zu halten. Da wird es richtig schön eng, wenn zwei harte Schwänze die enge Arschfotze hardcore und geil vögeln.

That's the typically dirty german porn-slang for only "schwanzgesteuerte" guys with nothing beside bullshit in their brains - that's the truth!
They insult the girls and name them as: Totty, Bitch (endless times), Fuck-Bitch, Dirty-Bitch, Ass-Bitch, Twat, ...
This is an apt example for the bad pornbusiness image here in germany. No one of the germans (beside the brainless dicks) would like to have something to do with it.
And the deterred/disgusted good looking german girls will never appear in such a dirty pornbusiness.

Mir wird schon beim Lesen dieser Scheisse kotzübel. Da wird mir wieder klar, warum ich seit 6 Jahren keinen deutschen Porno mehr gesehen habe! Ich denke, da wird sich nie etwas ändern. Ich frage mich nur bis heute, welche Männer das tatsächlich anspricht? Gibt es wirklich weche ohne jegliches Hirn?
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Postby qwertz on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:40 am

camaban wrote:Mir wird schon beim Lesen dieser Scheisse kotzübel. Da wird mir wieder klar, warum ich seit 6 Jahren keinen deutschen Porno mehr gesehen habe! Ich denke, da wird sich nie etwas ändern. Ich frage mich nur bis heute, welche Männer das tatsächlich anspricht? Gibt es wirklich weche ohne jegliches Hirn?

Tja, auch für mich schwer nachzuvollziehen wen das ansprechen könnte. Selbst dem Regisseur Nils Molitor von Magma und dem Kopf der Firma aus Mallorca die Jana Bach unter Vertrag hat (Namen vergessen - Fernsehübertragung von letzter Woche) kann sich nicht in die Konsumenten reinversetzen:
- Nils Molitor: Wir machen viele Leute glücklich, die dann gerade nicht mehr auf die Straße gehen und über eine Frau herfallen.
- Der Kopf der Firma auf Mallorca: Ich gucke mir Pornos selber nicht an. Schweigen... Ich denke es gibt viele Problemfälle in Deutschland, die... (genauen Wortlaut weis ich nicht mehr)
Ich glaube die beiden haben auch nur durch die rote Brille gesehen. Ich habe jedenfalls noch nie daran gedacht auf die Strasse zu gehen um eine Frau zu vergewalltigen und wer selber keine Pornos sieht, der kann sich in diese Leute erst recht nicht reinversetzen.

Sicher, es gibt wahrscheinlich genug Problemfälle in Deutschland, die mit ihrer eigenen Sexualität nicht klar kommen/mit Frauen nicht umzugehen wissen/zu scheu sind/ein Prüdes leben führen und ein Ventil brauchen/abnormale/perverse Gedanken haben/die auf jede Sexmessen gehen um die Models/Pornstars mit ihrem Handy abzufilmen bis der Speicher randvoll ist/...

Nur frag ich mich warum es dann ausgerechnet nur solche "Ventile" wie unsere Pornobranche hier in Deutschland gibt. Unsere Branche ist keinesfalls hilfreich für "Problemfälle" um Frauen dann besser verstehen zu können. In unser Branche gibt es fast nur hirnlose fickereien zu sehen gepaart mit geradezu erbärmlichen Stories, die die meisten sowieso überspringen - weil uninterressant/nicht auszuhalten - und/oder Schriften mit deutschem Porn-Slang für Gehirnamputierte (zu hart :?: :o). Schließlich ist doch unsere Branche dafür verantwortlich, dass sie so einen mist produziert und nicht das Folk, dem einfach nichts besseres geboten wird und natürlich nicht auf die Idee kommt nach Osten in Richtung Ungarn und Czechische Republik zu gucken. Es ist nicht verwunderlich weshalb die halbwegs normalen Leute mit unserer Pornobranche nichts zu tun haben wollen oder es zumindest verschweigen jemals ein Video von denen gesehen zu haben und sich ein absolut negatives Bild über die gesamte Pornoszene - egal ob Innland oder Ausland - in deren Köpfen breit gemacht hat - dank unserer Pornobranche.

Nemen wir mal als Beispiel das T-Shirt von Nils Molitor:
http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/:Sexmesse-Venus-Porno-Branche-Internet-Falle/600704.html?p=2&nv=ct_cb
Vorne steht "Kuscheln?" und hinten steht "Nee, ficken". Flacher gehts nicht mehr! Stell dir vor Du würdest als Produzent mit solch einem T-Shirt ein Mädel auf offener Strasse ansprechen um sie so für's Pornobusiness zu gewinnen. Kein normales Mädel würde sich mit solch einem Typen abgeben wollen, sondern stattdessen versuchen so schnell wie möglich Land zu gewinnen.

Bleibt zu hoffen, dass die Firma auf Mallorca mit Jana Bach etwas vernünftiges im Internet auf die Beine stellt. Die gesamte Crew ist sehr jung. Und selbst der Kopf dieser Firma mag sich keine deutschen Pornos ansehen. Vielleicht machen die es besser...
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Postby theproducer on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:53 pm

Request: Which german girl shows ass on 1000 webpages for only 600 Euro, i think the reason is the money... In countries like HU,CZ,RU... you earn 150 - 300 Euro as a normal worker in one month and if you offer a girl 600,- Euro for a 3 hour (hard)job... in germany you earn 500,- from social office for doing nothing...
www.east-west-entertainment.com
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Postby Xenomorgue on Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:47 pm

In the 1990's American porn was generally mediocre and sometimes even crappy, filmed with cheap equipment and then upgraded with color filters, so as a viewer you were watching orange guys fucking pink girs. Atrocious.

Meanwhile German porn was top notch in terms of content and production standards. The two best German porn companies where Videorama and DBM. Both had big budgets, good directors, good lighting, nice sets, strong content, and good casts since they paid the performers well. The end product was a 90 minute VHS tape sold for about 150 Dutch guilders, or 68 euro.

Then the American porn companies started to improve their product substantially. A new medium, DVD, was introduced and it slowly but steadily started to replace VHS. A feature length of 140 minutes became standard. Much lower product prices, of around 20 euro, were introduced. The American products flooded the European porn market. It helped that Eurpean DVD players based on the PAL system, could handle American DVDs with the NTSC format.

Sadly German companies like Videorama and DBM completely failed to respond to the new reality. They stuck to the old length of 90 minutes. They stuck to high price levels. To were very slow to make the transition from VHS to DVD. I remember that at the end of the 1990's DBM started a new promising label, directed by Gabriel Pontello, yet it was released on VHS only..... Incredible. In fact DBM's first DVD products were overpriced 60 minute compilations of older scenes..... Because of these poor strategic decisions German companies completely lost their dominating position in the European porn market.

Sad, really. Because I fondly remember the days when the weird and wonderful movies by SX Kowalski, Gabriel Pontello and Harry S Morgan where the most sought after. Sic transit gloria mundi.
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Postby paroxysmia on Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:57 pm

Hey German guys, can you give your opinion about Muchie Movie production and Karl Berg producer ?

He is German and casts lots of CZ girls !
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Postby camaban on Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:30 am

Yes, the good old Harry S Morgan videos, I liked them very much. Beautiful girls, nice locations good picture quality. But where are such movies today?

The German porn industry totally fell in a big sleep in the end of the 90s.
- They didn't realize that the DVD will be the new and only medium for videos in the 21st century.
- With more place on a disk than on a VHS tape the customer awaits longer fillms. This also is something they never have really realized.
- That the internet will become the big thing for porn (online shops, VOD, downloading...) is another point were they slept for years, giving up a big market for free,
- Many of them make too much feature films until today, not realizing the big succees of Gonzo style. Most porn consumers toady don"t want a storyline around the fuck scenes.
- And finally the prices, which are way too high in comparison to US companies.
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Postby hardware on Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:09 pm

camaban wrote:Oh yes, Gina Wild, Dolly Buster, Kelly Trump , ... ugly blond chicks with big fake tits...



I'll take some of that ugly any day...
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