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[gapelover]

RIP
"Very sad situation, Russia is full of nice girls but if things does not change soon nobody will shot them !
Pirates will kill everybody soon. Soon the amateurs like you have no nice porn to watch. "
by Salvo photographer for Gapeland

[gapeman]

Unfortunately Salvo is righ about the pirates will kill porn ...but is not the case of Norestoftheass Network that is still alive You will see

[budtugley]

It could be worse. You could be in the US. It's even worse over here.

[bubblebob]

I doubt that the pirates have a strong impact on the sales of porn. Face it: For most people porn is nothing they would invest money in. They get their porn as long as it is for free at filesharing sites. When they cannot get it for free anymore, they still won't buy a DVD or join a site to pay for it. Simply because for 99% of the people there's around 10.000 more important things they'd invest their money in.

[Frigo]

but exactly this mentality is killing the industry!

[gapeman]

I doubt that the pirates have a strong impact on the sales of porn. Face it: For most people porn is nothing they would invest money in. They get their porn as long as it is for free at filesharing sites. When they cannot get it for free anymore, they still won't buy a DVD or join a site to pay for it. Simply because for 99% of the people there's around 10.000 more important things they'd invest their money in.

Yes,for many people porn is nothing and don´t invest any dollar ...but you are wrong in the main thing:The people that before bought many DVDs or join Porn websites now dowload it for free because the Porn industry don´t took a strong Piracy law from the begining This is killing the bussines...not the wankers
that enjoy theirselves even with a crap porno magazine

[Mr. Peter]

The only future is in micropayments and indirect customer targeting, but porn industry is far too slow in progress so its behind other industries in this marketing aspect in my opinion.
Anyway the Internet/vod/tv/iphone/apps/all digital is the only way to go now...
Look at those flatrate sites for ex. how amazingly they grow up.

[DigitalCopyright]

Whilst I know this post isn't strictly related to the topic, I'd like to give you my thoughts on piracy as I'm an Anti-Piracy/Legal Consultant and some of you could find the below interesting particularly considering how the conversation has changed in the last page of this thread.

On the subject of Piracy, it's a highly profitable internet business and has become increasingly more so in the last 5 years particularly with the advent of one-click file hosting and Pay Per Click (PPC) based affiliate arrangements for uploaders. But why exactly is there so much pirated content?

Technologically adroit and coordinated piracy scenes can earn a great deal of money from uploading unlicensed content and that's partly influenced the noticeable shift away from Torrents to one-click file hosting services. In fact, check the top 1000 websites by traffic (compiled by Google/DoubleClick): http://www.google.com/adplanner/static/top1000/ You'll be able to see that 5 file hosting services have considerably more traffic than PirateBay (155) and they are as follows: 4Shared.com (59), Megaupload (73), Rapidshare (74), & Mediafire (79), Hotfile (83).

You may be interested to know that there are approximately 100 major pirate scenes (predominantly in Russia, former Eastern Bloc countries and Asia) who collectively upload hundreds of thousands of infringing links each day.The scenes use highly sophisticated auto-uploading software. All of them upload to file hosting services with lucrative Pay Per Click/Affiliate arrangements in place. The scenes are certain to earn money because they all have websites which receive colossal amounts of traffic each day. Here are some of the one-click filehosting affiliate schemes with URLs.

Fileserve.com Affiliate Scheme: http://fileserve.com/partner-info.php - A pirate can potentially earn up to $25 for 1,000 downloads. Might not sound a lot initially but as stated before, each scene has their own website, which has thousands of unique visitors per day. Consequently,it would be extremely reasonable to infer that they can generate large amounts of traffic to each infringing link – Upload 1,000 copyrighted links to Fileserve which have all been downloaded at least 1,000 times and a scene has potentially generated $25,000 (that’s a drop in the ocean compared to what Fileserve, Filesonic, Megaupload, Hotfile will turnover however). This is not fantasy but a distinct possibility!

More of the same below:

Megaupload Affiliate Scheme: http://megaupload.com/?c=rewards

Filesonic Affiliate Scheme: http://www.filesonic.com/affiliate-program

Depositfiles Affiliate Scheme: http://depositfiles.com/en/earn.html

Netload.in Affiliate Scheme: http://netload.in/index.php?id=39

...Ad infinitum.

Therefore, does filesharing affect the creative industries? Of course it does. I provide piracy protection (removal from one click file hosting services, torrents etc) for over 60 clients’ in the music (some large IFPI record label clients' & many smaller dance music labels) & adult entertainment businesses. The small music labels are acutely affected by piracy because the margins for profit are so small in the first place. Whilst some of my smaller music clients’ may sell 1,000 EPs on Beatport, they have to give a considerable % of that revenue to Beatport, pay the artist and all other associated costs which consequently leaves very little in profit and internet piracy further exacerbates this problem. Hence, there's a very fine margin between profitability and making a loss. Nevertheless, all the labels I work for have noticed tangible increases in sales/profit when contemporaneously using my service.

Of course, file sharing is perhaps even more pernicious for porn. For instance, even in today's more liberal society, an extensive porn collection is not something that most individuals would freely admit to or proudly display in the living room for all to see. Most of the people I know who paid for porn in the past, did it because there were simply no other means of obtaining hard-core pornography (particularly for free!). In fact, some of them used to pay up to £500 per year in order to get their porn fix. Now they don't have to pay at all because a lot of it is freely available on one-click file hosting services like Filesonic, Fileserve, Hotfile, Rapidshare etc. Moreover, they don't have to physical store porn where girlfriends, wives & parents could potentially find it. Yet, I know for a fact, that they'll purchase DVDs/Minutes on Gamelink if they cannot find the DVD/Scene on the internet for free!

Regardless of the above however, piracy can be mitigated as most of it is uploaded to filehosters who have to remove that content if they receive a DMCA/Copyright Notice. Furthermore, I have database access to a dozen filehosting services so can delete thousands of rar files each day myself (Vladimir at FirstAnalQuest can attest for the work I’ve done in the past). Nonetheless, whilst many porn producers bleat about piracy constantly, many are simply unwilling to actually pay for it and prices for services like mine are far from onerous. That’s partly the reason why there’s so much unlicensed content out there available for download.

James Brandes - LL.B(Hons), LL.M, MSc(Econ)
Anti-Piracy Consultant
Digital Copyright Consultancy
Email: digitalcopyright@btinternet.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/DigCopyright
LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jbrandesdigitalcopyright

[gapelover]

"(Vladimir at FirstAnalQuest can attest for the work I’ve done in the past)"

Hi James, thanks for you explanation but Firstanalquest scenes can be found on file sharing hosts easily too !
Yes very sad that file sharers make more money than content producers actually, some photographers are payed by commission and they earn a few bucks a day.
So they don't earn enough money to shot new scenes in the future !
The big porn providers have to change their system like Sineplex does to stop piracy.
If all do change many file sharing hosts could be closed or shut down. Its the only solution.

[Sodomizeher]

Personally I can't be arsed with the hassle of downloading scenes over torrents etc. I'm happy to subscribe to one or two sites a month as that equates to how much I used to spend on porn DVDs every month.

[DigitalCopyright]

"(Vladimir at FirstAnalQuest can attest for the work I’ve done in the past)"

Hi James, thanks for you explanation but Firstanalquest scenes can be found on file sharing hosts easily too !
Yes very sad that file sharers make more money than content producers actually, some photographers are payed by commission and they earn a few bucks a day.
So they don't earn enough money to shot new scenes in the future !
The big porn providers have to change their system like Sineplex does to stop piracy.
If all do change many file sharing hosts could be closed or shut down. Its the only solution.

Hi Gapelover, I haven't worked for FAQ for about 3 months (FAQ were very happy with the service however) hence the reason why there are now tens of thousands of links available on one-click filehosting services. As you'd expect, they're a popular site (I was removing in excess of 10,000 infringing rar files each month) and I can point you to tens of links were uploaders were constantly moaning about how quickly the files were being removed (due to myself having database access on Hotfile etc) when I was working for them. However, if I'm being totally honest, the music business pays better (there's less work for far more money) hence one of the reasons why I've cut down my involvement in the porn business.

I must disagree with what you say about Sineplex. In November 2010, you'd have found it considerably harder to find functioning links older than 1 day for FAQ (you'd need to really be someone committed to finding their material and not merely searching the main boards/filesharing search engines). Despite their much vaunted DRM and other procedures, Sineplex content has always been easy to find/download (simple keyword searches of the main porn sharing forums). In fact, their Double Anal Creampies DVD (Mandy Dee, Jasmine, Logan etc) was available on pornbb, porn-w less than 24 hours after its release and quite a lot of other scenes were pre-release leaked so their co-operation with filesharing scenes simply amounted to nothing and probably drained a considerable amount of cash to boot.

The problem with porn companies taking on filehosting companies is that whilst many filehosters are secretly cognisant that their service is being predominantly used for sharing unlicensed content, all of them have extremely robust DMCA/Copyright Procedures and remove content far quicker than obliged by Law. Furthermore, most will add an MD5 hash into their database to automatically ban new files uploaded with the same filename and some will even provide database access to Copyright holders and/or their agents. As a consequence of this, they've put themselves in a very strong Legal position and explains why many legal challenges brought by the porn industry have been a complete failure thus far (Perfect 10 against Rapidshare etc): http://www.zeropaid.com/news/89190/rapi ... -us-court/ (They're numerous other judgements in favour of Rapidshare et al which I'm happy to forward to you Gapelover).

Furthermore, whilst the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry & Recording Industry Association of America have both taken down very small, insignificant filehosting services, they know that taking on services like Megaupload, Fileserve, Filesonic would be extremely difficult for the following reasons.

1) They promptly delete content (far less than 24 hours) due to having robust DMCA procedures and this makes for a difficult case against them;
2) Filehosting turnovers are likely to be in the tens of millions so they can afford for this to potentially go Legal and they'll likely instruct quality Law firms to represent their case (likely much better Law firms than would represent porn producers to be brutally honest). Many people underestimate the strength of their position and how costly litigation actually is.

In 5 + years, the IFPI, RIAA etc have no real high profile filehosting scalps (potentially Hotfile could be the first but doubtful) and so if they've had little success taking on filehosting services, you can be sure some small porn company (with far worse Legal representation) will have absolutely no chance of success whatsoever.

The best procedure for adult content producers is to use a service like mine (they're plently out there) and let the major record labels/film companies spend their money on expensive and potentially wasteful litigation.

James Brandes - LL.B(Hons), LL.M, MSc(Econ)
Anti-Piracy Consultant
Digital Copyright Consultancy
Email: digitalcopyright@btinternet.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/DigCopyright
LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jbrandesdigitalcopyright

[DigitalCopyright]

Changing the subject back to Norest, hopefully they'll be new content uploaded soon.

James Brandes - LL.B(Hons), LL.M, MSc(Econ)
Anti-Piracy Consultant
Digital Copyright Consultancy
Email: digitalcopyright@btinternet.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/DigCopyright
LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jbrandesdigitalcopyright

[dap-addict]

Thanks for all this tech knowledge update! Very interesting!

I am not convinced filesharing is the main problem of Giorgio, though.
It sure diminishes his profit, but his troubles with norest remind me his previous norest troubles just based on too much work for basically just one Giorgio.
I also already pointed out, that Giorgio can still count on dvd sales in Italy at least a bit.

Some of his posts here hinted at Piter pool supply problems for instance. Some at a possible health problem for Giorgio. I hope I dont over-interprete his lately rare direct voice here on EBI, but I do really hope all is going well for Giorgio himself first, his family, his libido and only than his porn biz. With somebody like Giorgio who provided me with so much joy with his entertainment work, I simply cannot join cold consumer calls demading the next porn dose as fast as possible.

[dap-addict]

No news, still?
Also for gapefan?


The stangest aspect of Giorgio on EBI for me is still the way he defended mandatory condom use for porn productions a few months back.
Giorgio defending such a Italian porn biz killing state control idea!!!
For years he was the last to do something even close to that!
This makes me think something really changed in his life.

Maybe he cannot admit it, not with his porn actor and porn director background, not with what he is known for haveing stand for over all that years...and this would explain his silence. At least.

[Ed junior]

Anybody have any news about Giorgio or these sites?