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2007-02-28 14:16 conspiracy theory
Gergo and Macho got praise for how the HIV case of the actor in Hungary was covered. But on Swinger, cover-up.
2007-02-28 13:24 conspiracy theory
Gergo did well with Macho when they reported on the Aids case, but nothing from Macho about Swinger. Why ?
2007-02-28 11:47 mike
Victoria might retire if she can no longer make enough money from the porn business to justify all the hassle now surrounding her. She was blackmailed over the fake certificates, so that must have cost her a lot. Her wonderful agent just saw this as an opportunity for blackmail, nothing else. Little wonder she had to leave him.
Then all the money that was lost when her website went down. Where did that go ? Does she still have that money ? (Quite a lot of that was Steve's.) Now she only gets work on Kovi productions. Kovi covered up for her.
Other things to ask. She presented certificates saying she did not have an STD, but she had symptoms of some kind of illness when she went to these shoots on Private Chateau and Take on Me. Maybe also on the shoots in the Dominican Republic. How come the producer or directors there (Kovi, Conrad Son etc.) didn't get her to see a doctor and have her replaced if she was ill ? Did they know she was infected with thrush ? Did they put pressure on her to keep going ?
She must have appeared physically ill, so, even if they thought it was not an STD, it might have been another type of infectious illness which could be caught by proximity. Surely that would have compromised the shoot.
She might be to blame, but others are to blame also for keeping her working when she was ill.
2007-02-27 22:56 anonymous
Much better to have a full inquiry into this type of practice than just have people condemn Victoria as an immoral person without setting her behaviour in context. Also, if people want her to co-operate, it is much easier for her if the whole thing is about the culture and not just about her. In effect, she could be a witness to what used to happen.
I suppose the good thing for the Hungarian porn business and why they might allow something like this is that they have already put their house in order as far as this is concerned. But maybe they won't want it because it is bad publicity for them.
2007-02-27 22:28 honest broker
I guess that's it, that Victoria did it so often, and made a real habit out of it. But you see, there are at least 2 models we know of who have used fake certificates. So it might have been accepted that this could be done in certain circumstances, and was something people turned a blind eye to. Victoria's mistake may have been to keep doing it over and over again.
How many models were actually infected by Victoria, and suffered some loss of livelihood, at least for a period of time ?
If people are to judge Victoria, it is fair for all other instances of faking of certificates to be brought up. Of course she is the worst offender that we know of, but if there is a proper inquiry, an even worse example might be thrown up. We don't know. It sounds as if the Hungarian porn industry might not want to hear anything about fake certificates, whether it's about Victoria or anyone else.
If Victoria comes clean, she might decide to open up wider issues, so as not to focus just on her bad example. In fact, that is the best way ahead for her, because otherwise it may be too hard for her to tell all.
2007-02-27 21:13 Steve
In regards to Claudia. She only did this because the job was a rush job that afternoon and she currently was uncertified. It was bad advise that played her hand and she did not create the forgery.
You have to realise that the tests are not cheap for the models. They cost a lot of have done and you need them every few weeks. What if you have a test done and then get no work for the next few weeks?
We all play the system, its human nature to attempt to get something for nothing. Be it tax, income, even cheating on games, etc. If an easy path is laid out in front of us, we would take that over the proper and correct route.
Repeated offenses though that lead to the loss of other peoples livelihoods through selfish behaviour in my humble opinion are worthy of mention!
2007-02-27 21:10 conspiracy theory
Maybe that's why they want it kept quiet, because it might open up a can of worms if the full Victoria story comes out. It is not just for Kovi covering up, but about other models too. It is about the general reputation and image of Hungarian porn models and their standards of regulation to minimize STD not being up to scratch compared to other porn-producing countries, such as Czech Republic etc. It took the HIV scare to make them improve their testing and monitoring of models.
2007-02-27 19:38 anonymous
Is Victoria like the Ben Johnson of Hungarian porn, where she gets caught (as he was with steroids) but others have done it too ? There was the mention of Claudia Ferrari once using phototshop to fake a certificate. True or false ?
If she is to be made an example of, it is only fair that there is a proper inquiry where all other instances of this are exposed, with the naming of names, and people looking at the evidence (all the fake certificates).
Is it likely that there are only isolated incidents, or was this a common practice ? It seems Steve broke ranks and wanted the industry in Hungary to be more open about any scandals. But maybe the culture there is one of cover-up. He said most people didn't want to know. Their view was that it was no big deal anyway, even if it was true, but it was better kept quiet all the same.
The system that allowed this to happen, the use of copy certificates, has fortunately been replaced.
2007-02-27 14:24 oh fuck
oh fuck, a remake of kubrick's eyes wide shut directed by kovi with victoria swinger as nicole kidman, that would be fucking awful shit! the original film was fucking shit enough, but that, well, it might be better because you get people fucking in it, but it would still be fucking awful shit!
she can act a bit properly though, victoria. i suppose she might be special in porn because all the other porn actresses can't act at all! so anyone that can act properly even a bit is unusual. but i don't reckon she could act enough properly to become a real actress outside of porn, but i don't know for sure. maybe if she has to leave porn, she could try to become a proper actress. i mean, some of the actresses are shit at acting anyway, so if you're a bit good it could be enough, if you're cute as well.
she's supposed to be intelligent, victoria and went on millionaire, like as if she was the choice of the porn people because all the other girls were so thick they couldn't do it. but if she's clever, why did she do this stupid shit?
2007-02-27 13:55 impressed
They might have removed Steve's posts because he said he had gone to Machomedia, Freeones and Felshbot but they all would not print the story. Suggestions Kovi has friends at those sites and has blocked anything about Victoria's problems.
Why Kovi wants to keep Victoria ? Why is he making extra effort for her ? Not she is his Number One, or that great at porn, but because she can actually act dramatically, which no-one else can do. He wants an actress he can do things with artistically, because now he has become pretentious and thinks he is an auteur. He thinks he is the Stanley Kubrick of porn.
Then there is this talk of Private going mainstream and making serious films with real sex in them. Say if there was to be a serious porn remake of Solaris, with people fucking in it. Who would you choose to be the wife ? Must be Victoria Swinger. She could portray the emotional complexity of the role. Who to play Kris Kelvin ? Must be Rocco. He can act a bit and has been in a non-R18 film, though he did have sex in that as well, and was there to show off his stick.
2007-02-27 12:32 anonymous
Anonymus, speak again. And Steve too. What happens now ?
2007-02-26 19:10 conspiracy theory
It is Kovi leaning on Frigo ?
2007-02-26 15:09 Swinger Fan
Blackmail is mentioned in posts by other people, but they have not been removed. Just the three last posts by Steve, for no apparent reason. So Frigo was told 9 months ago by Steve all about Victoria. Odd.
2007-02-26 14:51 conspiracy theory
It couldn't be Victoria or someone working for her because what could be more embarrassing for her now that she appears to have confessed, if anonymus was her. That she was being blackmailed by her agent ? So what ? That is the least of her problems.
Odd for them to be removed because what was said in them that could be a problem for anyone ? Was it the agent who does not want people to know she was being blackmailed by him ? Maybe blackmail could be considered criminal. Maybe that's the problem.
It was all interesting stuff for us, Steve, and provided an explanation, but maybe that's best put on the forum, as I don't think it can be removed so easily from there.
2007-02-26 14:33 Steve
I never had them removed! I am surprised at EBI removing them especially when Frigo knows that everything I posted was true! I told him over 9 months back! I have had to bounce of a Japanese Proxy to post this!
2007-02-26 12:52 conspiracy theory
The last stuff from Steve sounded like it was the truth, but I notice that Victoria has recently done a film in Germany and one in Italy. Of course, it could have been someone pretending to be Steve, but I doubt it, because who else could it be that can write English so well ?
2007-02-26 12:14 honest broker
We can't be sure that the anonymus is Victoria unless she posted the same on the forums on the Victoria Swinger thread started by Steve.
2007-02-26 11:54 anonymous
Was this really the end or is the story going to change again and we go back to the other stuff about Victoria being innocent ? You must admit this runaround can get confusing. People don't know where they stand anymore.
2007-02-26 11:52 anonymous
Steve, why remove the posts ? Are you negotiating something with Victoria so that she can admit things elsewhere, such as on Machomdeia ? This is weird.
2007-02-26 11:48 anonymous
if that anonymus was Victoria, it's okay if you admit what happened, because you can tell more of your story. You must have been under pressure to keep working. Also, where did the idea to fake thecertificates come from ? Did another model suggest you do something like that ?
You see, if a lot of people faked certificates before the rules changed (anonymous who was probably Steve said Claudia Ferrari did that on one occasion, though that might not be true), what you did could be set in context and might not be so bad.
Also, the previous system really is to blame to allow something like this to happen. You could not fake a certificate now because only original certificates are allowed.