Fake tests

[boombingbang]

Sorry, typo. Meant to write "antique" = over and over the same bullshit, the same porn enemy stereotypes.
I dont know Zoes case, but I hardly think this tread is about single cases. What´s at stake is the whole Prague biz and here an "International Certificate" is a BIG leap forward indeed. That´s really good news and should set an end to the porn bashing, the pro/anti-condom crusades, the moral crusades etc.

Ah I see. However, I choose to take a different thread on the issue of this thread, that is "thread" = a line of reasoning or train of thought that connects the parts in a sequence - or metaphorically interwoven aspects or facts within the whole of an issue whether on an isolated national one (Prague) or global or whatever socio-geo-political metric. I don't Zoe either, just want to F and hoping for that 1 in a billion-trillions chance where she sees my support, is touched, and henceforth driven to track me down & hump me to death. Some play the lottery, well so do I but this is my custom version.

So anyway. I just wanted to add my thought-thread to the thread and also my humor tie-in thread and sorry for any offense but as I stated I am certainly no enemy of porn. And further, at least in the states the issue (porn bashing) is moot & toothless, having flared shortly post-Deep Throat's release and subsequent mania. Eventually, sanity set-in and now we just bomb middle eastern countries, use fear mongering & propaganda to subjugate the national public, and straight military & economic thuggery to anyone outside of that. That aside, porn is just fantastic & interwoven into the fabric here, a mainstay, just another....thread.

[dap-addict]

I think we need to talk about it. (...) It is high risk any way and great courage. But, it is not at all. They do creampies, daps and increase risks for their health many times, and it is all for our fun.

To me this is one amongst many reasons why by no means I do look down those performers, but actually hold them high up and try to support them as much as I can.
At the same we should not overexaggerate the risk factor. I bet there are less hiv cases in the Porn Valley than in LA proper. And apart from this a lot of other jobs have their risks, too.
Still, I am greatful for all downsides those girls take for my pleasure.

[alexxx]

I think we need to talk about it. (...) It is high risk any way and great courage. But, it is not at all. They do creampies, daps and increase risks for their health many times, and it is all for our fun.

To me this is one amongst many reasons why by no means I do look down those performers, but actually hold them high up and try to support them as much as I can.
At the same we should not overexaggerate the risk factor. I bet there are less hiv cases in the Porn Valley than in LA proper. And apart from this a lot of other jobs have their risks, too.
Still, I am greatful for all downsides those girls take for my pleasure.

I agree. Finally doing porn can be risky but risks are well managed by the people who want to work there. And I can assure you directors try to work with right persons. For sure there's someone who take risk but just for that someone could argue entire porn is wrong?
I don't think so and I believe most of people share the same idea.

[cleopatrox]

At the same we should not overexaggerate the risk factor.

Yes of course, but we need to be honest about this things. Performers need to understand how much risky can be this job and accept this. I think it is not right, that some young performers go to the industry, work without condoms and think - we all are tested, we all are protected. Then they do some high risk scenes with DAPs, creampies, ATPs, get STDs, retire and start to tell bad things about porn, other performers and producers.

I think that everybody who go to the industry need to know all about risk factors, STDs and other infections, protection and testing.

It is sad, for example, that young girl, who work first month in the industry do not know that after ATP she can get vaginal infection. She do it without any information about consequences and get it. I read some interviews about it. It is really sad. Other thing, if the girl know all about risk factors, accept the consequences and do it for definite reasons.

[svin_renigoth]

At the same we should not overexaggerate the risk factor.

Yes of course, but we need to be honest about this things. Performers need to understand how much risky can be this job and accept this. I think it is not right, that some young performers go to the industry, work without condoms and think - we all are tested, we all are protected. Then they do some high risk scenes with DAPs, creampies, ATPs, get STDs, retire and start to tell bad things about porn, other performers and producers.

I think that everybody who go to the industry need to know all about risk factors, STDs and other infections, protection and testing.

It is sad, for example, that young girl, who work first month in the industry do not know that after ATP she can get vaginal infection. She do it without any information about consequences and get it. I read some interviews about it. It is really sad. Other thing, if the girl know all about risk factors, accept the consequences and do it for definite reasons.

I completely agree with cleopatrox, especially about ATP. I've seen ATP in a few porn movies, but not very much. Sure, it's pretty sexy, I fear for the girls that do it. Pulling the cock out of the ass and immediately inserting it into the pussy, without washing off first, can be dangerous, because, as cleopatrox has said, it can cause vaginal and urinary tract infection.
The crew could stop shooting for a minute and wash off the cock, but of course the director wouldn't want to do that, because it wouldn't be a smooth cut; it wouldn't look sexy. Or they could use a condom for the anal sex, pull that off quickly, and go bareback for the vaginal. But a lot of people don't like condoms in porn. So I think maybe they shouldn't do ATP at all, at least for the girls' safety. They could stick with straight anal; vaginal first, anal second; or DP sex: one guy takes the girl's pussy and the other takes her ass. With DP, they should also be careful, because if the guys go trading the girl's holes, you've got the same problem again...
Of course, even with these precautions, it's still a fairly risky industry. But I think they could take steps to limit the risks, to a certain extent. With regular testing, information, education, etc., they can still make really good films, and we can have bareback vaginal, anal, DAP, creampie, and even ATP scenes, as long as the performers know and accept the risks, and the directors take necessary precautions.

[dap-addict]

[With regular testing, information, education, etc., they can still make really good films, and we can have bareback vaginal, anal, DAP, creampie, and even ATP scenes, as long as the performers know and accept the risks, and the directors take necessary precautions.

I would think most performers know about the risks. Or if they dont thery will pretty soon learn about them. I mean they do talk amongst each other, dont they?
But of course directors should do all to minimize STDs, it's in their interest too, in everybodies interest basically. I dont think anyone in this biz wants diseases to spread. So dont make the people working there look such stupid. They know what they do better than we do!

[svin_renigoth]

I would think most performers know about the risks. Or if they dont thery will pretty soon learn about them. I mean they do talk amongst each other, dont they?
But of course directors should do all to minimize STDs, it's in their interest too, in everybodies interest basically. I dont think anyone in this biz wants diseases to spread. So dont make the people working there look such stupid. They know what they do better than we do!

you're right, of course. and i wasn't trying to make anyone look stupid
guess i was mostly just repeating what was already stated in other peoples' posts, as well as commenting on cleopatrox' mention of ATP.

[dap-addict]

Personally I think the best porn should avoid condoms.
Most of the people want to see real hard action without thinking to sexual illnesses.
Porn is sex and freedom at the edge.
(...)
In the meantime we all need to preserve people working in and to avoid moralistic crusades or conservative interventions.

Not sure wheter this is the best place to post it. Maybe I should open a new thread, but too many threads about the same things isnt good either.
Anyway, I just saw this thought provoking Hot Video interview with Cecilia Vega about the reasons she prefers to work on porn sets in Budapest instead of condom mandatory France.
Cecil Vega sais she works in Budapest for health safety reasons.
Non-condom porn sets in Hungary according to Vega are because of the kind of tests demanded much safer than the French condom sets, where you can still catch a lot of STD like Clamydia and others.


Btw, Vega also sais she prefers to shoot in Hungary because of the harder sex produced there. She obviousely considers moveing for good to Budapest and switching to 100% non-condom shots there out of the health security reasons connected with her job mentioned above.

[spanish2]

Oral sex without condom is not as dangerous as vaginal and anal but still a risky practise. A microscopic injury in penis and pre-cum liquid is potentially dangerous too.

[superduper]

But a lot of escorts advertise oral without condom.

[cleopatrox]

Anyway, I just saw this thought provoking Hot Video interview with Cecilia Vega about the reasons she prefers to work on porn sets in Budapest instead of condom mandatory France.
Cecil Vega sais she works in Budapest for health safety reasons.
Non-condom porn sets in Hungary according to Vega are because of the kind of tests demanded much safer than the French condom sets, where you can still catch a lot of STD like Clamydia and others.


Btw, Vega also sais she prefers to shoot in Hungary because of the harder sex produced there. She obviousely considers moveing for good to Budapest and switching to 100% non-condom shots there out of the health security reasons connected with her job mentioned above.

Interesting interview! Interesting opinion!

Almost year ago she wrote on her blog:

Et puis, il y avait aussi ce côté rassurant entre acteurs. Avant chaque scène, nous nous échangions nos tests avec les partenaires concernés. Et quels tests ! Très récents, avec au moins 6 MST dépistées... Alors, pour un tournage sans préservatif, j'en suis consciente, le risque zéro n'existe pas. Mais quand je pense que sur d'autres tournages qui se font avec préso, on se contente du test HIV, faisant fi de toutes les autres MST possibles... (avez-vous pensé aux fellations, cunnis et scènes lesbiennes, les garçons ?)

http://www.vegablog.com/index.php?post/2007/11/18/cecilia-vega-tournage-rocco

It mean that french condom - only policy is serve for the money economy on the tests, but not for performers safety!

Sadly!

[dap-addict]

It mean that french condom - only policy is serve for the money economy on the tests, but not for performers safety!

Cecilia Vega has demaskified the big lie in porn - not only French porn.
It just shows what I many wrote here that all those condom discussions in the biz are just a cheep excuse. Good that Cecilia Vega did show that from an insider position though, actually takeing this cum-shots after condomized penetration on set, giving this blow-jobs on set, performing this lesbian acts on set.
For Cecilia I am glad she has found the bareback shooting practise in Budapest and feels mus safer in her job now!

[camaban]

No-one will buy porn with condoms.

bullshit

I never will buy porn with condoms, it ruins the fantasy. For example I was close to buy Joey Silvera's Rad Trip 13 especially because of a hot tranny called Leticia Vlasak, but after seeing in the trailers that they used condoms in this scene I deleted this title from my list. Nah, porn with condoms didn't work for real gonzo lovers, maybe it's ok in feature films.

[Juliana Grandi (Karmen)]

telling true in rusiian 7 from 10 companys dont ask test at all!! so in russia they dont need to discuss fake test - that just dont do!! i was shoked when i first time arrive tio one company - and i asked actor where his test - he answered that he forgot it at home... can you image? i was back at home without do set!!
soooo.... you know corrupshion in russia its in maximum level now - and for sure for some money you could do fake test.... but its more easy (had saw) just to work with photoshop well and do fake test!!! EXIST only in russia
i LOVE this country.... but i love myself more....
fake test of many actress in russia was big problem for my exrerelationship with Giorgio - maybe it was one reason why we are not together.... becouse i wanna be sure about my future, i wanna have healthy children.... etc...

[cleopatrox]

It is right that every performer establish own risk level for work!